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Dear CCP - EvE-sourced dollars and potential Dust failcascade

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Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#101 - 2012-08-10 16:13:39 UTC

Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Who the hell came up with "failcascade?" For crying out lemons.



lol you've never heard that one before? when did you become a capsuleer, last month?

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#102 - 2012-08-10 16:14:47 UTC
Whut the...? 15 bucks a month makes somebody think they have an opinion on how a company runs its business? Gawd, I feel sorry for CCP forum mods, having to read stuff like this and keep their mouths shut.
Lateris
#103 - 2012-08-10 16:26:13 UTC
As a member of the Eve community I want to see Dust 514 on the PC as well as on the console. I have worked with the UT III UDK development tools and its all there in the tools. CCP hasn't ruled it out based on past statements, just search for it. And I personally think D514 will make it to the PC. My concern is that the features such as corporations may not exist on release for D514. Plus, how flexible will console players be waiting for new features?

And in all honesty I am more concerned with CCP going IPO. This global economy is very hostile. I don't want Eve Online to have to answer to shareholders who don't subscribe to the game, don't play the game, and don't know jack about the gaming industry. Look at what happened to SWTOR end game...

On the flip side where is all the PI promised that would interact with D514?
Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#104 - 2012-08-10 16:32:12 UTC
Baby ChuChu wrote:
....because another post about why/how 514 can fail will solve everything? Right?

Listen, I get that people are worried that 514 might have a negative effect on CCP. I get that people want it on PC. I get that people don't like 'console kiddies' because it makes them feel better. i get it all.

Fact of the matter is all this negativity and naysaying isn't helping anything...at all. It's not like CCP is going to magically whip up a PC version in the span of a few days and be like, "hey you guys, you were right." They're apparently betting heavily on the PS3 and they're too deep to just quit right now. I'm sorry to say, but the only thing you can do right now is deal with it.

Deal with it and help make the Eve & Dust community a better place for everyone. If the game fails, then the game fails. Sucks, but so be it. But standing over the corpse and yelling "I told you so" is infinitely more useless than any failure that could possibly occur.


I applaud the general sentiment. But it's just really hard to comply because it's just so painful to watch. It's like seeing someone inside a shopping cart getting ready to take a ride off a roof. You get an almost overwhelming urge to yell "Stop! WTH are you thinking?!" Especially if you care in the least about the person that's about to do it.

Jagoff Haverford
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#105 - 2012-08-10 16:32:32 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
I have ton of... friends foaming at the mouth...
Then it may already be too late. Rabies is all but universally fatal once it reaches that stage.
Josef Djugashvilis
#106 - 2012-08-10 16:38:30 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
I have ton of console friends foaming at the mouth to play DUST. Your entire post is, well... bullshit.


How many friends are there in a ton?

This is not a signature.

Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#107 - 2012-08-10 16:41:36 UTC
thread title was more negative than I really intended.. changed.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.

Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#108 - 2012-08-10 16:42:13 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
I have ton of console friends foaming at the mouth to play DUST. Your entire post is, well... bullshit.


How many friends are there in a ton?


depends on if his friends are 500lb basement dwellers or svelte mountaineers.. but i'd say anywhere from 4 to 10.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#109 - 2012-08-10 17:04:21 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
lol my last 'console' was the Atari 5200... think I'll wait for the PC version but still may be fun to rain fire down on the DustBunnies in the meantime Twisted
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#110 - 2012-08-10 17:05:18 UTC
So I log in today and see I have a free Dust beta key coming my way as a paying Eve Online customer, then I was like Cry because I don't have a PS3 and never will.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#111 - 2012-08-10 17:23:27 UTC
There's much argument to be had, but it is undeniable that the Console gamer demographic is "short attention span theater".

The only thing that will save DUST from the dustbin of trends and "new things" is a following for the game, such as the space side of EvE has now.


Will this happen? Who knows. There might be a dedicated group of existing EvE players who prefer to pound ground when the fleet is taking too long to form up, or the corpmates are all offline. Those who already have the right console at present, but otherwise in these tight times, getting a console just to play DUST is a rather hard justification to make for the expense.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#112 - 2012-08-10 17:33:58 UTC
Quote:
I think having Dust only on the PS3 is a mistake. Simply because diversifying your target customer base would make more sense.


Because adding the player base of consoles to the PC platform in a truly unique concept is not diversifying.

Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2012-08-10 17:40:32 UTC
Well, isn't this amusement at a high level?

A crusader who thinks he can decide what a business may or may not spend/invest in simply cause he's a customer of one of it's products.
Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
#114 - 2012-08-10 17:42:20 UTC
Jaison Savrin wrote:
I think having Dust only on the PS3 is a mistake. Simply because diversifying your target customer base would make more sense.

I do not have a problem with it not being on PC.

I will be buying a PS3 in the spring anyway so idc. I just think it is a bad decision to put it only on PS3.

If Eve players can treat Dust players like they treat each other that will be not good. Most FPS players (in my personal non-scientific experience without empirical evidence) have no problem being griefed in ways that involve being shot. They get over it and forget it once the patch that fixes the exploit (if there was one) goes live. However, I do not think they will be at all ok with being scammed out of their money or equipment.

Dust will be fine, probably. CCP seems to have a pretty good handle on the whole running a game thing or so it seems to me. DON'T PANIC!



Then complain to microsoft.. it wa snot CCP choice it not be on XBOX, was Microsoft's....
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#115 - 2012-08-10 17:44:27 UTC  |  Edited by: arcca jeth
Marconus Orion wrote:
I have ton of console friends foaming at the mouth to play DUST. Your entire post is, well... bullshit.


and when they play it and don't stick around for long, you'll be foaming out of the mouth for it to be on PC, so you can play with your EVE friends.

My whole problem with this going to console is simply that this is a CCP/EVE product. In my opinion, it SHOULD have been a WIS expansion for EVE. WIS loses....again Roll

Well it is FREE isn't it? Our expansions are free too and we do already buy stuff in EVE for real life currency. In my feedback to CCP, I told them that pushing this to console, to be the 1st company to ever have cross-platform functionality, seemed to be an egotistical move. "We want to make gaming history". This was not about EVE or EVE players. It was about an agenda to make gaming history. Even at the cost of a sub-par product on a golden idea.

Well, you could have made gaming history by releasing seamless transition from FIS-WIS-W.O.P./FPS (that's walking on planets / first person shooter). The world of possibilities that you could have opened, you CLOSED. The vision you portrayed for EVE has been segmented to a different product all together. There's no reason that PC FPS cannot be the platform for combat, out of pod, in every future instance, in EVE. The only reason is your ego, and maybe not yours, but a certain someone within your group, somewhere above the person that may, or may not, be reading this post.

I've said this so many times in other threads in the past. I really do hope that among all those posts, that CCP did hear this.
BF3, on PC, is awesome and huge. The graphics are great, the maps are huge, and the player counts much larger. CCP should be striving to mimic this in a PC environment. Learn the lesson that DICE learned. To have larger number of players on console, you have to sacrifice graphics. This may not be the case for DUST if you have found a way around that.

In EVE, I should be able to be flying in space. Find a bounty, use locator agent, dock in station, leave ship, load captains quarters, walk to station lobby, walk to, oh wait, there's my target. I'll creep up on him and knife him to collect my *x amount of isk* for the bounty on his head. Walk to staging room OR dock with customs office walk to staging room for planet X, choose a match. Take shuttle to planet, bat phone buddies in destroyers or other ships for planetary support, create ship class for atmospheric flight, have dogfights in air, attack targets on ground....ETC. You catch my drift.

Anyways, this was the "vision" that I received from you CCP, something that at one time, your company aimed for. But then, some dimwit came along and said "this would be easier" and take less project capital and we can reach out to a new audience. You ALREADY have loyal customers. You could have gained more with creating the most epic and most impressive huge sci-fi universe of all time. FPS could have been the combat platform for all out of pod experiences inside EVE. and to me, a sci-fi fan and gaming fanatic (i do own a PS3), to ME, in my opinion, you FAILED to deliver on that vision. It is not too late......
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#116 - 2012-08-10 17:46:42 UTC
I bought a Sony TV. How dare them use my Sony-TV sourced dollars to create gaming consoles like PS3! WTF? They should use that money to make better TVs.

I bought a Hyundai Accent... how dare them use my Hyundai Accent Sourced dollars to design a 4x4... they should be designing better sub-compacts!

I bought toilet paper... how dare them use my toilet paper sourced dollars to make napkins! They should be creating stronger/softer toilet paper.

LOL... only on EVE-O Forums....

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"

Syler Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
#117 - 2012-08-10 17:47:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Syler Puuntai
Seishi Maru wrote:


Then complain to microsoft.. it wa snot CCP choice it not be on XBOX, was Microsoft's....


Think it more has to do with the fact that its not ported to PC that has most angry not Xbox. Which is understandable since it removes many of CCPs long term base that supported them for so long only to turn their back on them. CCPs plan to branch into a broader player base while neglecting their current isn't the smartest move.

Edit: Didn't read the post you responded to so your point is valid my bad.
DrSmegma
Smegma United
#118 - 2012-08-10 17:48:35 UTC
Gillia Winddancer wrote:
Well, isn't this amusement at a high level?


This, together with your avatar, is <333333

Eve too complicated? Try Astrum Regatta.

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#119 - 2012-08-10 17:49:47 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
There's much argument to be had, but it is undeniable that the Console gamer demographic is "short attention span theater".

The only thing that will save DUST from the dustbin of trends and "new things" is a following for the game, such as the space side of EvE has now.


Will this happen? Who knows. There might be a dedicated group of existing EvE players who prefer to pound ground when the fleet is taking too long to form up, or the corpmates are all offline. Those who already have the right console at present, but otherwise in these tight times, getting a console just to play DUST is a rather hard justification to make for the expense.



Herzog my friend, if I were forced to eat a steady diet of pickles, never offered anything other than pickles, and out of necessity I went ahead and voluntarily ate them to survive... I would be, by your definition, a pickle fanatic and prefer them over all other options.

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Lipbite
Express Hauler
#120 - 2012-08-10 17:51:38 UTC
I'm sure Dust123 will be available on PC in ~ spring 2014.

However there might be one serious obstacle: shift from laptops and desktops to tablets. I don't see any worthy (read: MMO) games coming out during next couple of years so I've started to think my present gaming station might be my last non-tablet computer (which I'll probably dump ~ 2014).