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Dusties Play Free, We Pay?
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Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#41 - 2012-08-10 01:18:16 UTC
non judgement wrote:
If some bad people didn't kick up a fuss about Nex store then we could be playing for free now.


Right then, moving on now.

Ni.
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#42 - 2012-08-10 01:22:44 UTC
Blane Xero wrote:
non judgement wrote:
If some bad people didn't kick up a fuss about Nex store then we could be playing for free now.

Keep telling yourself that.

I'd rather pay a set amount per month for all the content in a game than play the game for free and have to throw chunks of cash sporadically for specific content. Mind you, I don't believe in supporting segregated content where useless fluff gets more priority from the devs than actual gameplay because the fluff is what brings the money and is, therefore, the smarter thing to manage time for.

It's thinking like that, that is holding us back. No one is saying that you have to pay for it. Just let others pay heaps of cash in the store and you can play for free. The idea of segregated content is something I haven't heard anyone at CCP talking about.

Don't spend too much time thinking about the negative of everything will you?
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#43 - 2012-08-10 01:24:19 UTC
Have you seen that game? I wouldn't play it even if you'd pay me for it...
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2012-08-10 02:39:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Aruken Marr
Jim Era wrote:
wait, LoL as in League of Legends? omg, how, could Dust be anything like that shitstain called a game.
or you mean as in, buy new character graphics?


Yea LoL. Don't include pay to win but provide means to unlock things through play or by paying. The only thing you can't earn from playing are character skins.

Doesnt really matter what you think about the game but it's a tried and tested model.

Edit- to all the would be business men in here, please tell us more about your extensive experience in fps video game marketing and business strategy. I'm sure ccp would love to hear your input on whatever they've missed.

Basically you're full **** (I mean have you even tried the beta?). CCP seem to know what they're doing. Give them a ******* break, they might even surprise you.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-08-10 02:43:28 UTC
Bootleg Jack wrote:
Aooz wrote:
darmwand wrote:
Bootleg Jack wrote:
Except the shop doesn't sell any item that would give advantage, only vanity stuff. It is not going to be running in the black, we are subsidizing a playstation game.


The same thing could be said about TF2 and its hats yet Valve seem to be doing quite well.


The console gamer is an entirely different animal and DUST is a completely different game. They won't be idling/chatting in trade servers showing off their rares, feeling pressure to buy keys. They'll download a free game when they're bored, play and then put down the controller and possibly never come back.


Which makes any impact people with 0 investment have on a the sandbox really questionable.

Please stop.

You do not pay for the right to tell CCP what to do with the money they make. You didn't buy stock, get over yourself.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#46 - 2012-08-10 02:45:18 UTC
I am more interested in how do we exploit the dustbunnies, only to annihilate them afterwards?

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Forum Harlot
Doomheim
#47 - 2012-08-10 02:51:46 UTC
Did I miss the part where EVE General Discussion was renamed to DUST General? No?
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#48 - 2012-08-10 14:16:24 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Bootleg Jack wrote:
Aooz wrote:
darmwand wrote:
Bootleg Jack wrote:
Except the shop doesn't sell any item that would give advantage, only vanity stuff. It is not going to be running in the black, we are subsidizing a playstation game.


The same thing could be said about TF2 and its hats yet Valve seem to be doing quite well.


The console gamer is an entirely different animal and DUST is a completely different game. They won't be idling/chatting in trade servers showing off their rares, feeling pressure to buy keys. They'll download a free game when they're bored, play and then put down the controller and possibly never come back.


Which makes any impact people with 0 investment have on a the sandbox really questionable.

Please stop.

You do not pay for the right to tell CCP what to do with the money they make. You didn't buy stock, get over yourself.


Every paying customer has a right to give feedback nullbear...

I'm an American, English is my second language...
Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
#49 - 2012-08-10 14:19:49 UTC
darmwand wrote:
Bootleg Jack wrote:
Except the shop doesn't sell any item that would give advantage, only vanity stuff. It is not going to be running in the black, we are subsidizing a playstation game.


The same thing could be said about TF2 and its hats yet Valve seem to be doing quite well.


half life and eve are totally different......


totally....
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#50 - 2012-08-10 14:28:09 UTC
Christy D Floyd wrote:
Here is the million isk question......Will we be able to profit isk off dust bunnies?


Good point Professor Christy, we are planning to release WiS accordingly so that your little Dust-hookers have an appropriate working environment.

TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] "   CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a diȼk joke." Robin Williams - RIP
Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
#51 - 2012-08-10 14:32:15 UTC
Eugene Kerner wrote:
Christy D Floyd wrote:
Here is the million isk question......Will we be able to profit isk off dust bunnies?


Good point Professor Christy, we are planning to release WiS accordingly so that your little Dust-hookers have an appropriate working environment.



I defntly want to sell my characters body for money.
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#52 - 2012-08-10 14:40:15 UTC
I have an eve account and dust account.

so I pay for myself to play dust



why should I care?

FC, what do?
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#53 - 2012-08-10 14:53:52 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Even though we can bombard an area from orbit.

I frankly I am a little disappointed that we can't suicide gank the dust bunnies by crashing our ships into them on the ground.

Now that would look as funny as hell, you are happily killing people in Dust and the next thing you know a 1.4 KM long mach for example crashes head first into the ground, killing most of your team mates Big smile


And the Avatar did descend from the heavens, smiting all in it's path and leaving a dirty great crater where the pub used to be.

So endeth the lesson.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
Ghost Frog
Doomheim
#54 - 2012-08-10 14:59:35 UTC
When will CCP hire a decent ad writer?

From the Dust page linked in OP:
"In DUST 514 players earn ISK, an in-game currency, by winning battles, doing missions and more. Additionally, players can buy Aurum through the PSN Store. Players looking to expand their experience can spend either ISK or Aurum on a variety of microtransaction purchases. That said, DUST 514 is not a pay-to-win game. Players purchasing items with Aurum will not result in an unfair advantage over players who only spend ISK, the in-game earned currency."

There's a lot of clunky, awkward text there, but one of the standouts is "that said..." I literally facepalmed when I saw that. You're selling a game to future Dusty's, not defending microtransactions from stEVE's (hey, a new sub goal for my eve play: get everyone to use Dusty and stEVE). Seriously, hire someone good NOW, before its too late.
Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
#55 - 2012-08-10 15:02:19 UTC
Ghost Frog wrote:
When will CCP hire a decent ad writer?

From the Dust page linked in OP:
"In DUST 514 players earn ISK, an in-game currency, by winning battles, doing missions and more. Additionally, players can buy Aurum through the PSN Store. Players looking to expand their experience can spend either ISK or Aurum on a variety of microtransaction purchases. That said, DUST 514 is not a pay-to-win game. Players purchasing items with Aurum will not result in an unfair advantage over players who only spend ISK, the in-game earned currency."

There's a lot of clunky, awkward text there, but one of the standouts is "that said..." I literally facepalmed when I saw that. You're selling a game to future Dusty's, not defending microtransactions from stEVE's (hey, a new sub goal for my eve play: get everyone to use Dusty and stEVE). Seriously, hire someone good NOW, before its too late.



LET ME EMPHASIZE THE ITS NOT A PAY TO WIN GAME....


lol really?

sounds bad already.
Aless Benetek
State War Academy
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-08-10 15:17:37 UTC
OP is right, we get screwed, we subsidized development and now F2P model - isn't socialism wonderful!

Now, I and most of my PVP corpmates survive EvE monotony with idiotic chat in TS and alt tabbing to other games (Minecraft, World of Tanks, DayZ, etc.). Too bad I can't alt tab to Dust :-(





Cypreion
Robux Industries
#57 - 2012-08-10 15:25:00 UTC
Well our subs are not enough....breaking news.

"CCP Games, the Iceland-headquartered company behind the massively multiplayer online roleplaying game EVE Online, says it has raised $20 million in new funding."



http://techcrunch.com/2012/08/09/ccp-dust-514-funding/
Aless Benetek
State War Academy
Caldari State
#58 - 2012-08-10 15:28:36 UTC
Cypreion wrote:
Well our subs are not enough....breaking news.

"CCP Games, the Iceland-headquartered company behind the massively multiplayer online roleplaying game EVE Online, says it has raised $20 million in new funding."



http://techcrunch.com/2012/08/09/ccp-dust-514-funding/



So now, like classic socialist, they not only soak the rich (EvE subscribers), to pay for welfare recipients (F2P Dust), they now go into deficit mode by borrowing AGAINST EvE subscribers future revenue!
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#59 - 2012-08-10 15:36:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Bootleg Jack
highonpop wrote:
I have an eve account and dust account.

so I pay for myself to play dust



why should I care?


Because the financials is only half the point, and it is the half that hardly matters.

The other half is our sandbox will contain players with 0 investment, from a culture of 0 investment, who are totally transient.

We have a culture when you can't even change your name because we want people to have to live with the consequences of thier actions, in comes players with no history, no investment.

I'm an American, English is my second language...
Ghost Frog
Doomheim
#60 - 2012-08-10 16:00:51 UTC
Aless Benetek wrote:
isn't socialism wonderful!

apparently so. the happiest countries on earth are all what you (but not them or anyone with a brain and dictionary) would call socialist.