Warfare & Tactics

Very simple fix: Remove lp payout for plexing entirely. The incentive for occupancy then becomes tier control for mission lp payouts. Defers gratification considerably whilst keeping occupancy meaningful.

Personally I think they should scrap it all and start again, eh.

Love your witty and incisive riposte dcm. What next? U mad? L2p? Please go on, this is truly a masterclass!

I avoid saying cliche bs phrases.

Also, more fights happening in plex from my perspective.

If anything, remove missions.

There is no way to exploit this.

The problem is people have alts in the other militia. So they could just start these plexes and get lots of lp for defensive plexing.

I think notifications and the the timer counting down will fix most of the problems with faction war. The only remaining problem will be that you can't use pvp ships in majors- at least amarr can't. (and station lockouts will still be just as bad as ever.)

They won't come in the mail. The hope is they can do this with the new fw ui.

And anyway, it is just for people who want frequent quality pvp. Those who want to hide and farm won't like it. Neither will people who like to roam around for hours hoping to gank a farmer instead of looking for good fights. This idea tends to upset people in those groups. They will likely turn to something other than fw plexing. But eve already offers lots of opportunities for those 2 groups so its not really a problem. This will be the first time eve offers something for those who want frequent quality pvp.

Hahahahahahaha

CCP recently implemented one thing 100% as asked for by we the users (the LP deluge broke more than it fixed and WZC .. ) .. a viable militia interface. They even went further than we could have dreamed and made it modular/expandable. Add a tab to the interface with tactical information such as plex notifications to supplement the already existing strategic information.

Won't matter though as it will still FarmVille in Space™, the problems are now as they always were with the underlying mechanics .. they changed those mechanics but curiously managed to not solve most pressing issues, creating new ones and exasperating others .. rush jobs tend to have that result.
Hopefully now that the Dev adrenaline surge and resulting "must please the RabbleRabble" in the aftermath of the Jita debacle has dissipated, future changes will involve a modicum of thought, logic and testing.

FW Interface has updated relevant information now .. the old had a ton of delayed often completely inconsequential info. But the big redeeming feature is that it is built to be expandable so anything goes info wise really.

Well thought out .. so you consider the x16 relative store modifier, WZC, lock-outs, meaningless upgrade effects, massive farm friendly instant LP payouts, balance twixt factions based on datacore availability etc. as representing good thinking?

Must be a generational thing, because to me it reeks of brain-farts having been implemented with no refinement whatsoever

I don't think the current interface is all that responsive. At least last I checked it showed systems upgraded that weren't etc. Not that it really matters. The information in the current interface didn't change much in the war.

I do agree that the redeeming feature is that it can add more information. But we don't have the important information yet so it really has no effect.



1) 16x multiplier maybe even good. You have to save up your lp for a large cashout and then try to buy what you think you will need in the future. It really adds a whole new level of planning. The reason this works is because there is no lp for defensive plexing.

2) Not sure what you mean by "wzc."

3) Lockouts are bad, I agree. This still annoys me.

4) The upgrades are fine. They are what allows you to hit the higher tiers. They do not need to do more. Some suggestions might be ok such as cyno jammers. Its not really something I care much about.

5) The plexes were always farm friendly, inferno is not to blame. Plexes just didn't give lp before. But they could always been done with alts in pve ships. CCP hasn't worked on that yet. So lets see what they do about this before we say they are idiots. Now if you say they should have fixed this first. I will agree but whatever, as long as it gets fixed I don't mind waiting.

6) The lp payouts aren't instant. You should wait till you hit a certain tier. And then sort of speculate what will be needed in the future. Plus the plexing payouts go to those who plexed you to the winning side when you were losing. Not people who join the winning side after the war was won.

7) The balance is not based on datacores. Its based on no lp for defensive plexing and I think it is working ok. Its hard to say for sure. Amarr started to turn things around before nulli joined, but how well we would have done is now sort of theoretical. How to balance things has always been a difficult problem. CCP did a good job with this.

Overall though I am pretty happy with inferno. The lockouts is one sore point and sure there is stuff they still need to fix but what they put in place so far is solid.

You can only increases standings though missions and defensive plexing. LP gained goes though a co-efficient determined by your rank. No rank, crap LP. Turns FW farming into a waste of time unless you willing to stick with it. Also gives people a reason to defensive plex.

Edit to add---

Also--lower tag requirements for alot of items, and have tag requirements for most items, some things should require tags found in small plexes, medium plexes and large plexes.