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T2 modules market crash?
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Xintri Ra'Virr
Yamaguchi-Gumi
#1 - 2012-08-09 18:58:15 UTC
Anyone else noticed 10-15% price drop in last 12 hours?

Is it caused by new Alchemy rules or it's just more supply than demand?

Anyways i did quick stock dump im Rens just a few minutes ago. Items sold for over 3 Bils worth. Total loss 187 mils ISK.
I've noticed also minerals prices started to going down i wont be much suprised to see Hurricanes hulls for 20 mils on market in 2-3 weeks from now.

Or maybe im just over reacted..
Xinlisupreme
HALFAXA
#2 - 2012-08-09 19:12:51 UTC
Xintri Ra'Virr wrote:
Or maybe im just over reacted..


I see what you did there. :(
Velicitia
XS Tech
#3 - 2012-08-09 19:18:08 UTC
most likely, people cashing out....

though, you might've just overreacted

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Xintri Ra'Virr
Yamaguchi-Gumi
#4 - 2012-08-09 19:21:26 UTC
Xinlisupreme wrote:
Xintri Ra'Virr wrote:
Or maybe im just over reacted..


I see what you did there. :(


Sorry if i interrupt your buisness, but i hit the alarm button as soon as i realized that modules sell orders are very close to to what i payed for them buying from Bulk Trade. And i dont think i have to explain how low the prices are on BT.
Something is going on and it wont be good for traders.
Pipa Porto
#5 - 2012-08-09 19:22:05 UTC
Could have something to do with Tech tumbling down from 200k to 80k in the past little while, and the price shock taking some time to propagate.

But I haven't been paying too much attention.

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Dave stark
#6 - 2012-08-09 19:37:26 UTC
guessing ships will soon follow? always takes ships a while to catch up with changes in production costs from what i can remember from when minerals rose due to hulkageddon/drone nerf/etc.
Pipa Porto
#7 - 2012-08-09 19:56:25 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
guessing ships will soon follow? always takes ships a while to catch up with changes in production costs from what i can remember from when minerals rose due to hulkageddon/drone nerf/etc.


It really is too bad you can't go short on things in EVE.

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Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-08-09 20:11:32 UTC
We'll probably have a small temp rise in mineral supply as more than usual try out mining again.
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-08-09 20:27:17 UTC
tech did another dump thats why, nothing spectacular tho.

shar'ra phone home
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#10 - 2012-08-09 20:40:22 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
guessing ships will soon follow? always takes ships a while to catch up with changes in production costs from what i can remember from when minerals rose due to hulkageddon/drone nerf/etc.


It really is too bad you can't go short on things in EVE.


It'd be possible to short on stuff like minerals, too bad nobody actually wants to go from the "it'd be so cool if we could" to "let's do it".

Plus it's also possible to hedge and more, but that's limited both by the number of items and periods of the year when it can be done.

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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#11 - 2012-08-09 20:50:25 UTC
anyone saying "man it'd be neat to be able to short X" is wishing for an actual in-game system not your silly little offering.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
Pipa Porto
#12 - 2012-08-09 20:52:36 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
guessing ships will soon follow? always takes ships a while to catch up with changes in production costs from what i can remember from when minerals rose due to hulkageddon/drone nerf/etc.


It really is too bad you can't go short on things in EVE.


It'd be possible to short on stuff like minerals, too bad nobody actually wants to go from the "it'd be so cool if we could" to "let's do it".

Plus it's also possible to hedge and more, but that's limited both by the number of items and periods of the year when it can be done.


The problem is that making an actually useful shorting system is that there would need to be some way to ensure compliance, which is problematic. I don't think that problem can be overcome while allowing scamming.

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Xintri Ra'Virr
Yamaguchi-Gumi
#13 - 2012-08-09 21:03:06 UTC
The question is how deep T2 items crash will be?
I can't imagine -30% but...

In other hand T1 ships hulls prices will drop around 50% imo.
More power to AFK miners :(
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#14 - 2012-08-09 21:20:03 UTC
corestwo wrote:
anyone saying "man it'd be neat to be able to short X" is wishing for an actual in-game system not your silly little offering.


Guess what, CCP are not going to implement it.

We can sit in a corner and cry waiting for the actual in game system that will never come or deal with it.

I don't see anything silly into implementing player driven content (your whole alliance is doing it too), as EvE is a player driven economy in a player driven sandbox.

After all I held > 100B in collateral in the past and both Chribba and Grendell have done more.
So the only thing preventing these things from becoming real are the guys rowing against them. Or those with too much of a little imagination to go beyond the purposedly made basic tools given by the game.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#15 - 2012-08-09 21:23:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Pipa Porto wrote:

The problem is that making an actually useful shorting system is that there would need to be some way to ensure compliance, which is problematic. I don't think that problem can be overcome while allowing scamming.


See, there is this high philosophical way where everything is hard and impossible if not triple insured and certified.

And then there are those just doing it.

It's really, really the same thing done since years and years to hold collateral.
What do you think it happens when a guy hands me 20B worth of collateral?
What do you think it happens when a customer of mine hands me 20 capital ship BPOs to research?

This happens: they just hand over the stuff and get the thing done.
We don't need to have a super WoWified SAFE system where every other random can safely do it, we have the 3-4 guys who can already handle it and just need to use them.


Edit: actually it's simpler than collateral holding. A major issue in collateral holding is the depreciation of said collateral (very often the collateral is the very item that is subject to the speculation the guy needs ISK for) while with short selling the depreciation is just an intended thing.

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Jypsie
Wandering Star Enterprises
#16 - 2012-08-09 21:50:43 UTC
corestwo wrote:
anyone saying "man it'd be neat to be able to short X" is wishing for an actual in-game system not your silly little offering.


Glad I wasn't the only one to see the irony in a Goon talking **** about emergent gameplay.
Charles Baker
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-08-09 21:59:25 UTC
Speculators gonna speculate
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#18 - 2012-08-09 21:59:43 UTC
Jypsie wrote:
corestwo wrote:
anyone saying "man it'd be neat to be able to short X" is wishing for an actual in-game system not your silly little offering.


Glad I wasn't the only one to see the irony in a Goon talking **** about emergent gameplay.


If they do it, it's emergent gameplay deserving all praise and honor, if others do it, it's "silly". Cool

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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#19 - 2012-08-09 22:21:25 UTC  |  Edited by: corestwo
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Jypsie wrote:
corestwo wrote:
anyone saying "man it'd be neat to be able to short X" is wishing for an actual in-game system not your silly little offering.


Glad I wasn't the only one to see the irony in a Goon talking **** about emergent gameplay.


If they do it, it's emergent gameplay deserving all praise and honor, if others do it, it's "silly". Cool



You misunderstand - willfully, perhaps. I actually think a proper system for being able to short things would own. I see anything run by players as silly primarily because of Pipa's point, and I'm not entirely sure how a third party would make it work any better. As VV has thought about it, perhaps he has what he thinks is an answer.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
Pipa Porto
#20 - 2012-08-09 22:26:54 UTC
corestwo wrote:
You misunderstand - willfully, perhaps. I actually think a proper system for being able to short things would own. I see anything run by players as silly primarily because of Pipa's point, and I'm not entirely sure how a third party would make it work any better. As VV has thought about it, perhaps he has what he thinks is an answer.


To be frank, I wasn't saying "Too bad you can't short" in the "I want a shorting system put in place" sense, I was saying it in the sense of "Too bad I don't have a pony," a shorting system might be nice, but there really isn't a need for it, and there are some insurmountable problems with shorting when there's nothing stopping someone from re-rolling alts and such.

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