Crime & Punishment

Hey, system is clear, as its clearly sick...

If I (player) meet you, take your cell-phone and put it in the nearest trash can, you can take it back... but if you do it in this game I can shoot you and, after fifteen minutes, if one of your friends tries to disarm me he get shooted by police... lot of sense.

Just to answer your perfectly clear statement: it is impossible for me to be engaged if I consider every thing you touch as lost forever and ever in the void of space... I can imagine this situations only if it ends with me yelling: "please wash your hands! Wash them with fire!"



I cannot choose to take back what is mine, nobody gave me choice of "not being robbed" and I'm asking for the option "being robbed and defend myself", that means also taking my ores back.



not stupidity, ignorance of game rules maybe... and the bad habit to put logic where's darkness... like thinking your cell-phone it's still yours and taking it back from the trash can.

I'm pressing for changes because I've understood the current system and I found it too easy to be used inappropriately.
If you tell me all is working as intended... screw mining, piracy I'm coming... but this is ruin miners (or "unsecure" miners as some here says) game in favor of some coward PVPer.



Are you CCP? Because if you aren't I want to play this game too: Isn't this CCP's opinion? If so, that's nice, but Santa won't give you any present this year and your pet doesn't love you, it was a secret but it's time for me to tell you, it's with you just for food!

Keep assuming that the problem is "me" finding the game "too hard" or that I'm too lazy/ignorant to mine in a secure manner... I'd describe this game as easy-normal, yes there are situations that needs some brain cells activity but it's mostly as repetitive as many others MMO.

This annoying problem of getting back stuff can be solved way too easily: I use to keep a second character with 0 skill point in a rookie ship in a nearby station just to reflip containers and "steal" from him my stuff back, pretty sure he doesn't care... of course after we've blowned the can flipper.

If you think I'm doing this as a complain for "how rude the game/the world/my life" is to me... re-think that.



That's not a counter, that's losing a combat ship as it would be one combat pilot against thief's corporation, he doesn't wait anything else; for the other choices, believe me it's really not an effort since we've orcas and PVP capabilities (ok, we've not them always, player use to sleep sometimes, not to say social life, in the week-ends we're almost screwed to be true).
For GSCs, it's a matter of dimensions .



And I love it this way!

Want to take down this player's ship in high-sec? Then waiting him to reflip the can isn't enough, go suicide ganking on him!
He isn't worth suicide ganking? Go looking for players to kill in lower secs... What? they're too strong/organized for you and so you prefer unexperienced mining groups... I see... Now who's blaming other for his shortcomings?

Tell me where's the complexity in "let's hope he's a noob"... go playing basketball with kindergarten kids if that's the kind of "complexity" you like.

That environment will attract the 'right' players --> soon in the "Noble Exchange": SWAG hats and YOLO (if you're not a capsuleer) T-shirts!

I mean: this system aids players who wants some PVP but are to afraid to lose their ships in real PVP, if these are the 'right' player you're talking about, hell yeah that's not my game!

They should have left it this way, not best but better than now...

As many as told here, miners can defend themselves with GSCs, orcas, other ways. And with previuos system if I flip a can and leave... You've just to use my new or maybe "reflip" it to rename; no rights for me and no rights for you.

Now, temporary killing rights may allow you to stop a thief if you're fast enough to scramble him as soon as he takes some stuff but pre-alligned ships can still empty your can and warp almost instantly away. Ability to defend the jet can: Lost.

In the meantime we've semplified pirates' lives introducing this "tactic" of can-flipping, wait for your corp to gain aggression and easily fight a "many Vs one" battle.

It doesn't seems intended for miners defense and if it is, it failed.

Welcome to New Eden. The laws are different here. If I take your cell phone, you are completely in your rights to beat me senseless, and only YOU can choose whether or not that happens.



Sure they did. Don't put it where I can take it. There's nothing forcing you to use a jetcan. Your own laziness allows canflippers to steal your stuff. Jetcan mining is like leaving your door standing open: it doesn't make it okay for someone to walk in and take your stuff, but the rest of us are going to wonder just what you expected to happen.



But that won't invoke Concord, which is what I was talking about there. I cannot cause Concord to shoot you. There used to be a way to do that, but it was patched nearly two years ago as I understand it.

Quit screwing around with cans and go to low/null and shoot whomever you please?

I stop reading there. That is 100% incorrect.

If you don't want PVP, stay docked.

With the new selection of Mining Barges, and Exhumers, and Orcas, I don't really have any sympathy for people suffering from can flippers.

OP is playing the wrong game. End of discussion

I'll admit I am very new to Eve but...

Don't they make secure containers that you can PW protect? also don't they make mining ships with giant cargoholds? Why would you use a can that people can randomly take from? I honestly don't understand, is it just being really lazy?

Sorry if this has already been said.

No, they're flagged to the alliance, I've done it enough times to know :P

And yes, flagging to fleet would be awesome, it makes (or made) can flipping the sort of "gateway piracy" you could get noobs and normally PvE focused people into without having to require they sign over into your corp right away. On the flip side, it would help the miner if he had friends outside his corp an alliance who could do something besides scoop his wreck when he dies.

Wrong.