Ships & Modules

Its associated skill should reduce cap use in addition to cycle time. And, as pretty much everyone else said in this thread, 42 GJ per cycle is way too much for a hardener and makes in viable only on battlecruisers and above.

Sad thing is all this feedback was given on the test server feedback threads.

I see it as only good on anything with a large amount of EHP/or local tank and the cap to support it, remember if it deactivates even for a moment the resists reset.

This basically means caps and injected battleships perhaps T3’s. It may be viable on a repping cap injecting myrm also.

At first I figured it would replace the explosive hardener on my ships but now I feel that leaves to large a hole for too long.

PVE it would be great if you could find any rats that dealt one damage type, it is perhaps more useful than a third hardener when tanking two damage types. My PVE Hype often had three hardeners and a rep but I haven’t tried that for a long time, could prob work on T2 battleships.

My personal feeling is that they should borrow the cap injection mechanism from the ASB, if you could run it cap free for a minute (switch reload of) then keep it running and start paying the cap cost. At least at this point the resists have adapted and this makes it viable for Frigates and cruiser fights, at the moment on a frigate you are better off with a second SARII.

. . but truthful. Shield tanking got an op new module. Shield buffers were actually already doing better than armor buffers (even though the shield crowd likes to whine about 1600s v LSE) and continue to if you look at the monthly eve-kill top 20. Now active shield tanking is proving to be a necessity in small gang. This month is shaping up even more extremely tilted toward shield http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20 .

Meanwhile armor tanking got a ****** active hardener that as many have said makes laser and hybrid users even more susceptible to cap warfare, and just got a change to the tech II 1600 plate that is a "say what?!"

I thought CCP had talked about making close range gunned armor tanking viable, but here we get more mass so congrats you are even more of a brick that can't apply your damage to buffer shield kiters or the new close range shield brawlers fittings asbs (merlins, hookbills, feroxes . . .). As some attempt at balance they propose an increase from 7.5 to 10% per level on active armor tanking. That will mean nothing except for pve (incursus and proposed for brutix - hyperion). It does not fix the necessity for mutliple (even 3 ) reppers with multiple cap boosters hoggin up all the grid and cap. The mass additions do nothing to fix the brick **** I can't get in range to apply damage buffer fits.

Overall I'm baffled by the continued racial blinders the dev team seems to have on. They apparently feel that only Caldari ships should get an optimal or range bonus, or two (cormorant etc.) and fail to see how range bonuses combined with asbs allows those ships to not only reign supreme at kiting but also in some cases outperform the armor close range setups.

They need to start giving range bonuses to non-caldari ships. They need to do something quick about armor tanking and the penalties they are only exagerating with their attempts to buff it.

The game should continue to have racial flavors, but unfortunatley they are making it even more pidgeonholed for roles. Lasers should have sniping options. Gallente ships should not all have to be blaster fit when they can fit rails. And minmatar should get some range on arty as well. It should not become a game of shield tanking missile and rail kiters, or asb fit brawlers, with no viable armor tanking schemes. If they do not do some corrections fast armor will be joining the dodo, and everyone will be flying Caldari and Minmatar.

I'll be sure to post about the failed experiment then. :)

-Liang

Actually when you tank with gank (PVE) those are useless for several reasons from cap consumption to adaptability delay but in pvp it's even worst, it's just something you offer to someone you really hate hopping he's dumb enough to fit it.

Armor tanking users got heavy trolled with this crap module. As a mainly Gallente spec main character I'm happy I can fly almost everything, blasters+shield tanking+ASB 4TW

Some were probably traumatised by Gallente pilots when they were kids, since then they promised themselves to keep Gallente underdogs forever by any means, including the implementation of such a troll module like the reactive crap and the skill going with.

We came to that conclusion a long time ago, in various threads :)

In true CCP style they made one mod fairly useless and the other (ASB) super OP.

ASB: Small scale game changing mod, allows massive tank if you don't break through it.

RAH: Long fight adaptive hardener, allows logistics tank to stabilize the longer the primary stays alive. Should work nicely on solo active tanked ships as well. Slave implants naturally help.
Usages:

• Cap boosted active armor tanks (Vindicator, Hyperion)
• Solo frigates / HACS / Pilgrims etc. wanting to ninja rat and explore through different parts of nullsec. Cap is an issue, though.
• Aeon, Archon
• Bait ships like Proteus (the million ehp fit gets better over time)
• PVE (don't train the skill up more than 1 point though, or cap becomes a nuisance)
• Speed tanks in wormholes and incursions. Damage profile adjusts from missiles to lasers.

I think this module should run with the timer as when your hit by an attack.

"cough" don't forget to use links ;)