Science & Industry

Greetings,

Just a side - love the new Mackinaw - great little solo miner now for the single box, single account solo-miner, the hulk may be king of yield but in using both, the hulk as well as my orca are sitting around alot more then used, but that little mack is making bank... on veld no less.

... which got me to thinking after almost a year off belt mining for missions (mining missions)... is there perhaps a new tactical doc for miners in high-sec and how does the industrial base feel about it - so I am asking.

1. we all know people in our local systems - new miners, they then fall into the solo player - usually mining in something and in a way that makes us cringe.
2. then there is the single or multi-boxed alt corps of 1 which blob around and never talk to anyone... often up in some "ivory" POS doing their own thing.
3. then you have the talkers in local that having been listed above decide they are lonely or bored or both and start to engage in the MMO of the game and this is where I am curious.

Since we have these nice little new toys to play with, and there are alot of solo and corp miners around high-sec and the gankers had new toys a while back... why don't people form up:

System based Alliances to act as a local "community bonding organization" if all these corps keep asking for members of people already in their own corp - there does seem to be an issue of everyone wants "to be CEO of their own corp... ok, so kick up the organization to someone opens a holding corp - single person even - the they form up the alliance and then all the systems various small corps can unify under a single flag of defense and co-operation... while maint their own control over their stuff?

It would seem cheap - 1Billion in... yea that is a bit, but then the maint cost is cheap... and 1B start up isn't too bad considering, it's doable even for the smallest group if you just make it a priority (or PLEX it for ease).

What are the reasons why we don't see this kind organization of high-sec - seems this would be the solution everyone seems to be looking for for defense, markets and cartels... etc... kind of like a "System" Chamber of Commerce, or maybe Mafia depending on how you run things...

let me readdress the concept - as maybe I didn't put it out there right.

Single System 0.5 sec.
Person forms and Alliance using his single person 1 man corp as a holding company called "Single System Alliance"
The adds in as many of the local based corps as want to join in.
They then are in a single War Dec/Defensive Organization.
They then mark anyone not in this Alliance as Red... and proceed to take over the system by whatever means - so that only npc corps are not War Dec'ed if they are seen in system, doesn't have to be a hard war, just a war of interdiction - say camping the gates and anything of the warred corps come by you interdict it... after a while anyone not in will abandon the system for better access - this is HS, so keep that in mind... people basically Hors de combat in HS systems between industrialists and such.

Then they form up a patrol fleet, intel on the visitors and if someone seems to be trying to move in or reg ops or whatever they are placed on a join or war-dec mailing and delt with as fit.

They could then proceed to POS all the moons, control the asteroids and ice more or less and for the most part "make a system" theirs - while it's still open they could make life very difficult for anyone not in the alliance, but also for anyone trying to attack them as well.

make sense?

nah, Battle Badgers FTW.

... yea... Miners only fly barges... remind me not to post in S&I... apparently common sense is not a factor in the chats here.

did you never see the video of a bunch of hauling badgers ganking and killing a vagabond?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTn9EASiPMY

why do you all assume that people that mine and do industry can't fly and fit and do well in PvP... this seems a very dangerous assumption... one that could lead to a very very bad outcome for a corp that decided to dec a "poor carebear" corp...might find out it's full of toofy "caregrizzlies"

My thought is more along these lines - just because I am sitting in a exhumer in a belt, don't assume I can't reship it a PvP fitted ship... my current security ship is a very nice HAM II Sacrilege... and I can fit out any T3 ship, or anything short of a capital... most with T2 fittings... end of year I will jump into caps with a passion... just no point yet as I am a HS dweller atm.

Mining is a means to an end. Just like mission running or anything else that is more heavily weighted toward what would be PvE* in another MMO.

Yes, someone (many people, actually) probably likes mining over making someone else explode, but with the game being PvP-centric ... well, you just have to do it some times. Provided that the "safe" to "not safe" ratio is acceptable, I imagine that miners would be OK with having to fight every so often ...


*Undock button being the "PvP flag**" here
**Not that you can't PvP whilst sitting in station.

I would think that logistically thinking, the people in charge of running industry can't be the same people in charge of protecting it.

The same people can't do both. The second you have to start protecting your industrial efforts, those efforts come to a halt. If you're sitting around in combat vessels, you're not mining.

Either you're allied with a corp who provides protection and control of the system, you pay a corp to provide you that service, or you have members in your corp dedicated to that.

And then if you're going to expend the effort to "control" a system, why wouldn't you just claim sov? High sec isn't there for single corps to control, and once you have the resources to hold any one system they would be completely wasted in high sec.

To what end? So that a bunch of people can mine in a high sec system? Whether or not indy guys can fly combat ships is pretty irrelevant when you get right down to it. Why would a group of miners go through all of that effort to mine in a high sec system when they can do that now with zero effort?

Why would I put my alt in a corp so that she can be at war with other miners in high sec? It's rather nonsensical for me to increase the amount of risk that she faces just to do what she already does.

I once saw a video of a tiny little Puerto Rican dude knock a huge African-American guy out cold with one shot. Your example is ludicrous and entirely unrealistic. Think about it and get back to me when you figure it out.