Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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I'd kinda rather just let frigates in certain circumstances use ewar against supercaps so that the supercaps need to be supported by fleets that can pick off the ewar frigates.

I still wonder why you don't nerf EW and boost the bonuses on EW ships to keep them where they are today.

You did this for webs, and it has made web strenght ships very important and gives them their own role. Targeters on target painter ships are weaker than when used on a ship that isn't built for EW.

This is due to your love of making non combat ships have the weakest tanks. I'd rather put a target painter on a ruppy, why would i put it on a ship that is just going to die in two hits and only get a small 50% bonus to target painter strength? That means if i fit 2 it's like I'm fitting 3 of them. But would rather have 2 of them since the difference isn't that big, on a ship better handled to staying alive.

In fact with the changes the tanky combat frigates work better for simple Ewar like painters and damps.

If you don't want EW to have EW and tank or EW and speed. And make them just EW focused, then you should be going farther with the changes to how EW works.

I still heavily suggest nerfing damp range on non-EW ships and so on so EW ships are actully better. Twice as good at least at EW. That will make them wroth it.

imo

TP would need a serious revamp to make it useful. The skill Signature Focusing does so little (5% bonus per level) compared to what fleet boosts can directly counter it ( -32.34% from a claymore). ECM is weakly countered by one of the information links, which are rarely used anyway. Damps are countered a little by the Information Warfare and Leadership skills themselves, and TD is not countered by any fleet boosts. So not only is TP the only non-disruptive ewar, it is the ewar most completely countered by fleet boosts. I'm not asking for those fleet boosts to be changed, but that TP needs to be made useful, especially if the revamped and balanced minmatar ewar frig is to be specialized in it.

I just thought to this : maybe minmatar already have speed to protect themselves and hence don't really need EWAR to do the job. They are supposed to have weak electronic to compensate for their speed supremacy.

yes this is perhaps the most pertinent point the only time you use TP's is on torp ravens/phoons to get full dmg out of t2 torps 4-5 across a fleet this is usually achieved even on bc's so the issue needs to be to have a big enough impact that you have to use a vigil or other bonused TP ship.... although ofc SB's use TP's and if TP's did get nerfed in effectiveness they may need a bonus to get their weapons to do enough dmg.

mm.. i would like to see all weapons use cap too aswell as the missile disruption promised at fanfest

interesting idea. Why shouldn't painters be able to also decrease a targets' signature (via inverter script)? This way they could also have a defensive roll and maybe help logistics. It would make painters more versatile.

This was one of the suggestions that came up in internal brainstorming as well, unfortunately it actually has the exact same effect as a tracking disruptor since sig res and tracking are both equal in the tracking formula.

Because then one is completely obsoleting the other. You would never see both when one is obviously better than the other.