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Can CCP Offer Something Because of Barge Changes?
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Veryez
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
#61 - 2012-08-09 05:53:24 UTC
Kor Soluce wrote:
I
Faking
Love
The Mining Barge changes. I love them to death, and all night long.

There was, though, an unfortunate side effect. This didn't effect all miners, because some people were aware of these changes ahead of time. But, some of us were not. Like me. Cause I just don't like reading forums, seriously that's it.


I'm not going to attack you or question your genealogy. As other's have said, you had ample warning, but chose to ignore it. Give it 6 to 12 months, prices should stabilize, but I suspect they won't end up where they started.

What's more important is what did you learn from this?

EvE is a PvP game, and that doesn't just mean targeting someone and pressing f1. Market PvP is perhaps even more cutthroat than FiS. You need to constantly read the forums, log into sisi, and search the internet for the one advantage that will swing things in your favor. Knowledge is power, as a miner you have ample time to do the above. If this doesn't interest you, then you really have no cause to complain, because what you are really asking for is that someone who did all the research, logged into Sisi, saw and evaluated the changes, then implemented a plan on TQ (and yes took a chance) shouldn't be rewarded for all their extra efforts.

No real EvE player is going to agree with that.

So if you learned something, then this was a very valuable expansion for you.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#62 - 2012-08-09 06:03:18 UTC
Kor Soluce wrote:
Evelyn Meiyi wrote:
Kor Soluce wrote:
I
On the subject of worth: while the price of a Hulk is so far unchanged, the price of a Skiff or Mackinaw have essentially blown the roof off of their previous limits and into high orbit. (Especially dat Skiff, from under 50 to over 200 as of right now!) So any players that just happened to have one of these ships gained a huge net worth while Hulk players gained nothing, essentially a loss. (Unless I missed the part in the patch notes where it says all Skiff owners now take on a 150million ISK debt to CONCORD.)


Prices are always going to fluctuate severely so soon after a patch -- let the market play itself out for a day or so. The reason that the prices went so high is because of the demand generated by the new changes. Everybody wants one, so the price is going to jump as ship-builders take advantage of it.

(Just because Hulk players gained nothing doesn't make it a 'loss', by the by -- they aren't having anything taken away from them, after all. It's just that demand for the Skif and Mack outstrip the demand for the Hulk.)


When every solar stock except your goes up, it's called a loss. When every exhumer but yours goes up, guesswhatit'saloss.



When CCP boosted on-grid probing and made my sniper zealots useless overnight, guess how much compensation I got?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Forum Harlot
Doomheim
#63 - 2012-08-09 06:09:22 UTC
"I didn't keep myself informed, now I want ISK for my ignorance." I don't want to live in a world where this makes the least bit of sense; mostly because flying pigs terrifies me.
Pipa Porto
#64 - 2012-08-09 06:12:57 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
When CCP boosted on-grid probing and made my sniper zealots useless overnight, guess how much compensation I got?


You could have applied for the same compensation program that the Miners have available.

Rt. Click > Self Destruct

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#65 - 2012-08-09 06:18:31 UTC
HTFU

and learn from your mistake and find these threads ahead of time

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Evelyn Meiyi
Corvidae Trading and Holding
#66 - 2012-08-09 07:21:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Evelyn Meiyi
EvilweaselSA wrote:

there is no law called Ex Post Facto


Weasel is technically correct -- ex post facto laws are forbidden by the US Constitution, which contains protections against arbitrary arrest.

For those interested, an 'ex post facto' law (from Latin, meaning 'after the fact' or 'from after the action') retroactively changes the legal status of certain actions. It may make a punishment more severe, or change the conditions of a criminal action (making an action that was previously legal a violation of law).

Since the US Constitution expressly forbids 'ex post facto' law, no US citizen may be charged with a crime if the action they were undertaking was legal at the time of the alleged 'offense', regardless of whether the law has changed (though they may still be charged with related offenses, if they fall within the scope of currently-applicable law).
Irya Boone
The Scope
#67 - 2012-08-09 07:34:21 UTC
next time go read the forum .....

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2012-08-09 08:21:21 UTC
Kor Soluce wrote:

Then allow me to make this perfectly clear for everyone. I don't have a problem with waiting and buying another mining barge for my ugly self. I do have a problem with a gaming company directly punishing/rewarding a player choice based on information that was not going to be seen by everyone. I'm sure a bunch of people are very happy for that free 150mil they were just handed. Now where's that guy whining at me about "Letting the players control the game". Uh-huh.


Since you ignore the updater you should maybe commit this to memory for next time:

1. Go to top of this page
2. Click dev blogs
3. Click on 'Patch Notes' on the left hand nav

...

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#69 - 2012-08-09 08:40:36 UTC
I think the elephant in the room (eve forums ) is soon going to be soon why all the retrievers are populating all the belts
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Pipa Porto
#70 - 2012-08-09 08:40:57 UTC
Evelyn Meiyi wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:

there is no law called Ex Post Facto


Weasel is technically correct -- ex post facto laws are forbidden by the US Constitution, which contains protections against arbitrary arrest.

For those interested, an 'ex post facto' law (from Latin, meaning 'after the fact' or 'from after the action') retroactively changes the legal status of certain actions. It may make a punishment more severe, or change the conditions of a criminal action (making an action that was previously legal a violation of law).

Since the US Constitution expressly forbids 'ex post facto' law, no US citizen may be charged with a crime if the action they were undertaking was legal at the time of the alleged 'offense', regardless of whether the law has changed (though they may still be charged with related offenses, if they fall within the scope of currently-applicable law).


Even if there were a law called "Ex Post Facto" that prohibited what the constitutional provision (and UN Declaration of Human Rights) prohibits, the OP interpreted it wrongly (saying that it protected criminals from recent changes, not future changes).

And even if it did cover recent changes, it wouldn't be applicable because nobody's being punished.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#71 - 2012-08-09 08:54:39 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
If you don't read patchnotes you deserve whatever is coming to you.


And the dev blogs and dozens of forum threads.

Some miners seem to have been living under rocks, not just mining them.
Dave Stark
#72 - 2012-08-09 08:59:32 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
I think the elephant in the room (eve forums ) is soon going to be soon why all the retrievers are populating all the belts


because rets cost pocket change, only have 5% less yield than a mackinaw, and nobody is going to pay all that extra cash for ~7.5k cargo space unless they've got nothing better to spend isk on.
Dave Stark
#73 - 2012-08-09 09:00:10 UTC
Anya Ohaya wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
If you don't read patchnotes you deserve whatever is coming to you.


And the dev blogs and dozens of forum threads.

Some miners seem to have been living under rocks, not just mining them.


well living under a rock certainly is a new approach at avoiding gankers, i'll give them that.
Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#74 - 2012-08-09 09:45:34 UTC
OP, sometimes CCP pwns us. You have to accept it and move on.

There is no sandbox, just God screwing you without the decency of a reacharound.

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#75 - 2012-08-09 09:50:40 UTC
What a great thread. I liked the OP, because it made me laugh. Big smile

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Pipa Porto
#76 - 2012-08-09 09:58:52 UTC
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
OP, sometimes CCP pwns us. You have to accept it and move on.

There is no sandbox, just God screwing you without the decency of a reacharound.


Someone's upset that his favorite shipclass got buffed.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Whisperen
Resilience.
The Initiative.
#77 - 2012-08-09 13:07:58 UTC
No.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#78 - 2012-08-09 13:12:07 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
I think the elephant in the room (eve forums ) is soon going to be soon why all the retrievers are populating all the belts



because ganking rettys is still fun?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#79 - 2012-08-09 13:22:48 UTC
OP,

You do realize that for high-sec mining using a T1 barge is a very except-able option now ?
If anything the T1 barges should be flying off the shelves.

And the best part about a T1 barge.
On the slim chance that it gets ganked, who cares just grab another one.

And the odd part about the whole market right now is that Hulks still give the best yield so why switch out ?

So I am a bit confused why the markets are even going nuts right now there is no reason.




EVERYBODY KNOWS
Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
T O P S H E L F
#80 - 2012-08-09 13:38:56 UTC
****.
Off.


That's all I have to say.