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Can CCP Offer Something Because of Barge Changes?
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Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
#41 - 2012-08-08 21:55:35 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
If someone did not have the foresight to check the forums for patch information in an MMO, they deserve not to reap the benefits.


Edit: Forum stop eating my posts with 404 errors!!!


What I made was a suggestion, I have no actual problem with how the patch was handled and I can wait to upgrade in the future. But just because the MMO industry expects you to watch their patch notes like the Sunday paper doesn't mean it's the right way to do things. When you have changes like these that you know will effect more then just the stats you changed, and will have a big effect, I think there need to be extra measures to the players of your game. I don't think it's right when CCP, Blizzard, or any other MMO dev pulls this kind of stunt.
Jim Era
#42 - 2012-08-08 21:55:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Jim Era
I say we go and gank OP nonstop in his shiny boats that he is complaining CCP cheated him out of.

also, it was no stunt. stop playing the victim jesus ******* christ.

Wat™
Pipa Porto
#43 - 2012-08-08 21:57:21 UTC
Kor Soluce wrote:
El Cid Campeador wrote:
I think a real life comparison would be....

"But officer I didnt know drinking and driving wasnt allowed! I didnt want to read the book of laws I just wanted to live my life! You should reimburse me for my ticket and my time!!!!!!"


There actually is a law called Ex Post Facto where you can't be punished immediately after a law changes, just because it changes. As far as ways to tear down my suggestion you picked a bad one. Please see above posts for better methods.


1. That's not a law, that's a Constitutional Provision.
2. That's not what it means.

The Constitutional prohibition on Ex Post Facto Laws means that the government can't enact a law that punishes people for actions that were legal at the time they were committed.

If Billy kills someone on Monday in a legal manner, the government makes that killing illegal on Tuesday, and Bobby kills someone on Wednesday in the same manner as Billy did, Billy's off the hook, but Bobby's going to jail.

Also, losing money (well, losing the opportunity to make money) because you didn't take advantage of public information is not CCP punishing you for anything.

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-RubyPorto
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#44 - 2012-08-08 21:59:14 UTC
If you wish a different Exhumer now...

Sell Hulk.
Purchase other Exhumer.

No intervention necessary.

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Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
#45 - 2012-08-08 21:59:37 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Kor Soluce wrote:
El Cid Campeador wrote:
I think a real life comparison would be....

"But officer I didnt know drinking and driving wasnt allowed! I didnt want to read the book of laws I just wanted to live my life! You should reimburse me for my ticket and my time!!!!!!"


There actually is a law called Ex Post Facto where you can't be punished immediately after a law changes, just because it changes. As far as ways to tear down my suggestion you picked a bad one. Please see above posts for better methods.

there is no law called Ex Post Facto


Ahh, I was thinking of what appears to be a legal provision. My mistake.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/ex_post_facto
Man that was a long 2 seconds of Googling. While Ex Post Facto doesn't apply to what CCP has done in the slightest, it applies to the above example.
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
#46 - 2012-08-08 22:02:15 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Kor Soluce wrote:
El Cid Campeador wrote:
I think a real life comparison would be....

"But officer I didnt know drinking and driving wasnt allowed! I didnt want to read the book of laws I just wanted to live my life! You should reimburse me for my ticket and my time!!!!!!"


There actually is a law called Ex Post Facto where you can't be punished immediately after a law changes, just because it changes. As far as ways to tear down my suggestion you picked a bad one. Please see above posts for better methods.


1. That's not a law, that's a Constitutional Provision.
2. That's not what it means.

The Constitutional prohibition on Ex Post Facto Laws means that the government can't enact a law that punishes people for actions that were legal at the time they were committed.

If Billy kills someone on Monday in a legal manner, the government makes that killing illegal on Tuesday, and Bobby kills someone on Wednesday in the same manner as Billy did, Billy's off the hook, but Bobby's going to jail.

Also, losing money (well, losing the opportunity to make money) because you didn't take advantage of public information is not CCP punishing you for anything.


Ahh, wrong again was I. That makes a lot more sense then how I was interpreting it. Of course, again, the law would have been a lot better about keeping people informed about drinking and driving changes. What I originally said still holds. The rest of you have way better arguments then he did.
Kieran Westgate
Innovative Arsenals
#47 - 2012-08-08 22:02:26 UTC
feihcsiM wrote:
Kor Soluce wrote:
Personally, I don't think it's right to benefit or punish people just because they didn't or couldn't find the patch information before its release.


Yeah, where DO they post the patch notes nowadays?
I wish someone would design launcher for eve or something, maybe put the important forthcoming changes in big white font on there so you can't miss the important and imminent changes....


They should even create some sort of newsletter or at least e-mail us when there is new stuff. Maybe we should help out with the community team.
Pipa Porto
#48 - 2012-08-08 22:04:14 UTC
Kor Soluce wrote:

Ahh, wrong again was I. That makes a lot more sense then how I was interpreting it. Of course, again, the law would have been a lot better about keeping people informed about drinking and driving changes. What I originally said still holds. The rest of you have way better arguments then he did.


They posted the changes publicly. They posted a link in the launcher. They sent an Email announcing the patch.

What more do you want?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
#49 - 2012-08-08 22:05:15 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
I say we go and gank OP nonstop in his shiny boats that he is complaining CCP cheated him out of.

also, it was no stunt. stop playing the victim jesus ******* christ.


I'm probably getting myself mixed up, so let me say it again.

I have no actual issue with the changes.
I have no actual issue with people being able to profit from the patch.
I have no actual issue waiting to but a new rig later on.
I do think there could have been better ways to handle this, I was suggesting one and why I felt that way.
You're all taking my suggestion like I'm making a demand, I am not. If I'm making it seem that way I apologize.
stoicfaux
#50 - 2012-08-08 22:05:57 UTC
If change can happen to a Tyrannosaurus Rex, it can happen to anyone. Besides, it's too late to roll back the mammal expansion.

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Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
#51 - 2012-08-08 22:06:22 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Kor Soluce wrote:

Ahh, wrong again was I. That makes a lot more sense then how I was interpreting it. Of course, again, the law would have been a lot better about keeping people informed about drinking and driving changes. What I originally said still holds. The rest of you have way better arguments then he did.


They posted the changes publicly. They posted a link in the launcher. They sent an Email announcing the patch.

What more do you want?


See, I didn't get an email. I'll check my account and spam filter settings. Because, like I said earlier, if I'd gotten an email I would have no issue at all. No suggestions, no postin.
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
#52 - 2012-08-08 22:08:41 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
If change can happen to a Tyrannosaurus Rex, it can happen to anyone. Besides, it's too late to roll back the mammal expansion.



But reptiles got the ubernerf! D=
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-08-08 22:12:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Derath Ellecon
Kor Soluce wrote:


There was, though, an unfortunate side effect. This didn't effect all miners, because some people were aware of these changes ahead of time. But, some of us were not. Like me. Cause I just don't like reading forums, seriously that's it.



Knowledge is power dude.

Seriously. This was announced some time ago. Unless you live under a rock It would have been hard to miss. And given the open market nature of EVE it pays (literally) to stay informed.

Bookmark the devblog page (or subscribe if you can, never looked to see if you can). No need to be a forum junkie.
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
#54 - 2012-08-08 22:13:44 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
[quote=Kor Soluce]

There was, though, an unfortunate side effect. This didn't effect all miners, because some people were aware of these changes ahead of time. But, some of us were not. Like me. Cause I just don't like reading forums, seriously that's it.

/quote]

Knowledge is power dude.

Seriously. This was announced some time ago. Unless you live under a rock It would have been hard to miss. And given the open market nature of EVE it pays (literally) to stay informed.

Bookmark the devblog page (or subscribe if you can, never looked to see if you can). No need to be a forum junkie.


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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#55 - 2012-08-08 22:22:00 UTC
Look at the navigation bar at the top of the forum. There is a big link button with the words DEV BLOGS on it. I read the dev blogs about the barge changes a day or so ago and knew that the changes were on the way by reading them and various posts on the forums about them over the past few weeks.

You can also find all Dev Blog discussion threads here.

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Pipa Porto
#56 - 2012-08-08 23:59:33 UTC
Kor Soluce wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Kor Soluce wrote:

Ahh, wrong again was I. That makes a lot more sense then how I was interpreting it. Of course, again, the law would have been a lot better about keeping people informed about drinking and driving changes. What I originally said still holds. The rest of you have way better arguments then he did.


They posted the changes publicly. They posted a link in the launcher. They sent an Email announcing the patch.

What more do you want?


See, I didn't get an email. I'll check my account and spam filter settings. Because, like I said earlier, if I'd gotten an email I would have no issue at all. No suggestions, no postin.


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Frying Doom
#57 - 2012-08-09 00:08:20 UTC
Just sell the hulk NOW, as prices are falling and buy a mack or a skiff.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Horatius Caul
Kitzless
#58 - 2012-08-09 00:31:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Horatius Caul
Kor Soluce wrote:

I do think there could have been better ways to handle this, I was suggesting one and why I felt that way.

Sure, and the suggestion you made is completely separated from reality and shows that you have no understanding of or respect for the integrity of the EVE market and how it works.

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Doomheim
#59 - 2012-08-09 00:48:10 UTC
that was so well written that I only had to read the first few sentences to get what you were saying.
RAP ACTION HERO
#60 - 2012-08-09 05:24:59 UTC  |  Edited by: RAP ACTION HERO
wai wai wait can i have a do over? it's too late to make my speculation bucks awwww

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