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Miner tears and the new patch.
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Josef Djugashvilis
#221 - 2012-08-10 08:50:24 UTC
Hiyora Akachi wrote:
I logged in today at around 8am Central. Switched to the Help channel and -DROWNED- in the miner tears.

Apparently, making anything besides the Hulk a viable miner is like punching a baby repeatedly.


If you drowned, shouldn't your speech be in bubbles?

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#222 - 2012-08-10 08:52:30 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
MSMIIs are 8.8m/6m sell/buy.
F-word.
My next batch won't be out unitl Monday, and it'll be too late by then.

DAMN YOU MARKET!!! Evil
Pipa Porto
#223 - 2012-08-10 08:59:06 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
MSMIIs are 8.8m/6m sell/buy.
F-word.
My next batch won't be out unitl Monday, and it'll be too late by then.

DAMN YOU MARKET!!! Evil


That's why I went with buying mining equipment pre-patch instead of trying to build it.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

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Tank Fila
The Norse Collective
Northern Frontier Group
#224 - 2012-08-10 13:08:03 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Ah, so you're giving up yet more yield. Well, fair enough.


Uhmmm....

A retreiver doesn't cost anywhere near 30 mill total, ship and fittings.
How are you getting 30 mill out of a ship that doesn't cost near that much, even after it's fit.


You're effectively saying that you're stealing my one leaf of paper and turning it into 30. How are you managing that?

And honestly, I have 2 strips and 2 MLU's fitted to my Ret. Not everyone is a min/ maxer, and not everyone AFK mines. I'm aligned and the second something that isn't a mining ship comes near my belt, I leave.



T2 Strips are 6.5m each
MLUIIs are 2.5m each
An MSE is 2m.

That's 22m in fittings eligible to drop for an average of 11m.

When I said 30, I forgot that medium ACRs actually cost anything.

If you're fitting less than T2 Strips and 3 MLUIIs, you're giving up more yield for safety, and that's just fine. That's how it's supposed to work (though I have to wonder why the retriever and not the Skiff/Procurer).


The Retreiver because I have several sitting around and they now carry a jet can worth of ore. If I get into a serious solo mining mode I will use a Skiff most likely. But since I dont afk mine or fly a 30 mill Retreiver I will be fine, no tears here.
Maarken V'Anysh
Tangy Weasels
#225 - 2012-08-10 13:28:29 UTC
really don't see what all the fuss is about... two weeks before patch I spent stupid isk on T2 expanders for my hulk getting a massive 18.7k hold.. had enough tank to survive a catalyst gank (barely).. it was my high sec solo miner love boat.  
I was a little upset first day after patch..  "WTF t2 rigs wasted.. oh noes!!"   but then I hopped in that Mack I never used and wow...
more ore space than a jet can (35,000m3!)   two lasers with a bonus that equals 3 lasers (unless I read that wrong) and a tank of over 24,000ehp with resists all over 70% (two invuls, civi shield boost, just because lol)
plus 97ms speed to buzz around the belts. compared to less than 70ms on a hulk with expanders and a barely acceptable tank on the hulk...  and If i don't spam the survey scanner it's cap stable...
it is a gift you bunch of babies lol

I'll keep my hulk in case I ever fleet mine... or I'll contract it and some silly bassard will see the t2 rigs and think it's a deal..  win/win

in the end we get a Mack that's better than the hulk was...  is that wrong?
Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
Top Shelf
#226 - 2012-08-10 13:33:25 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Hiyora Akachi wrote:
I logged in today at around 8am Central. Switched to the Help channel and -DROWNED- in the miner tears.

Apparently, making anything besides the Hulk a viable miner is like punching a baby repeatedly.


If you drowned, shouldn't your speech be in bubbles?




Touché
Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
Top Shelf
#227 - 2012-08-10 13:35:19 UTC
Tank Fila wrote:
I think the biggest complaint I have about this chamge is we spent 225Mill + on our Hulks and they get turned overnight into a fleet required ship. Spending that much isk on a ship that now must be flown in a fleet situation to be its most productive is not a good change, yes I can use a Retreiver to solo mine and not need to dock every 8 mins to unload. I guess its just the thought about all the time and isk spent to get into a Hulk feels kind of wasted now.




If in the time you owned a Hulk it didn't pay for itself, you were doing something wrong....
Tank Fila
The Norse Collective
Northern Frontier Group
#228 - 2012-08-10 14:52:06 UTC
Hiyora Akachi wrote:
Tank Fila wrote:
I think the biggest complaint I have about this chamge is we spent 225Mill + on our Hulks and they get turned overnight into a fleet required ship. Spending that much isk on a ship that now must be flown in a fleet situation to be its most productive is not a good change, yes I can use a Retreiver to solo mine and not need to dock every 8 mins to unload. I guess its just the thought about all the time and isk spent to get into a Hulk feels kind of wasted now.




If in the time you owned a Hulk it didn't pay for itself, you were doing something wrong....


Please read my post again. My comments were based on the over all changes to the Hulk that made it into a ship that went from being THE ship to mine with all the time, ice excepted, to the ship to use for fleet ops now. My Hulk has paid for its self several times over. People that had Mack for ice mining, its only good use pre patch can now sit back and watch a Hulk out mine it in ice belts now. Like I said its all good here, and no one will drown in my tears.