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The problem is you're too clueless to realize that the vast majority of miners you see are solo miners. The mack is designed for solo mining so SUPRISE of course you see it everywhere. Meanwhile the hulk which is designed for fleet mining can be found in FLEETs with full orca/hauler or roqual support.

The hulk still has far superior yield when full buffs are applied and the EHP of it is quite nice. Sustained tank means nothing in a fleet operation and the fact that you don't understand this shows your complete ignorance of true fleet mining.

Just for the record one dude running four accounts in high sec does not equal a fleet. I don't blame you for your ignorance because it's not like most alliances allow people to check out their mining OPs. So if your experiences were limited merely to highsec you'd have the mistake impression that everyone is a solo miner.

wow, people who know nothing should learn to keep their mouths shut.

first of all, the price spike in the mackinaw is because they went from totally worthless to actually good for solo miners, and lazy people who dont want to do some extra work for some extra profit (most people)

Secondly, the hulk makes 16% more per hour than the mack all other things being equal, which means if the hulk would only make you 2 million more per hour that means your mackinaw only makes you 12.5 million an hour . . . lol youre doing something terribly wrong because even mining veldspar in a .7 should make you twice that



wait wait . . . youre mining dark glitter in 0.0 and youre complaining about the click fest?

you realize that even with a perfect rorqual, perfect skills and maxed out ice yield fittings, youre looking at one click and drag action every 4 minutes right?
If you cant be asked to make one click every 4 minutes, i feel sorry for you if you ever run missions or go ratting.

Actually, it shows that a lot of miners like the new mack. And even in 0-0 mining fleets, they have their use because it's so much less effort compared to the hulk, for only a fraction less ISK/hour. You said it yourself - the tendency to make mistakes while mining with hulks is the one big + for the mack. Especially at 106 cycle-time.



Yep, rats and repping is covered easily by your fleet, in form of maintenance bots or combat-drones. If you need a dedicated combat-pilot or a dedicated shield-rep pilot to handle them - you are doing it wrong.

The point here is, that EHP means nothing for that. It's just sustained tank - and that was nerfed with the nerf to hulks resists.
It's not a game-breaking nerf tbh, but it is a nerf just because the boosted EHP is useless while the bonus to sustained tank was atleast somehow useful.


A surprising amount of null space is empty so that doesn't surprise me at all. All of what I typed is clearly standing and you haven't actually produced any counter proof at all..[/quote]

You still fail to see that the hulk got nerfed, and still you make such statements.. crazy world.

Do you even know what fraction means?

As an aside from all this, has anyone played with the idea of putting a Medium Ancillary Shield Booster on their Hulk?

I managed to create a fit that mines for 1779 m3/minute (with mining drones), EHP of around 20k+ EHP, and with the MASB. I've never had the chance to test it though. I figured since the MASB was used so much in the short intense fights of the Alliance Tournament, that it work well in a short intense gank attempt until CONCORD showed up.

As a comparison, my yeild fit (still including the MASB, but with mining laser upgrades in the lows) mined at 2016 m3/min for a total difference of 16920 m3/hour and an EHP of 15k+.

So I get a bunch more EHP with the loss of less than one jet can an hour of ore. Toss in the MASB for in combat shield boosting and it looks pretty good. On paper at least.

Indeed you are correct as the Hulk is designed to be the fleet mining ship and not a solo runner..

Or you could get the multiplayer back in MMO and get a corp to make mining ops where your hulk's added yield would shine and your orca boost would be worth even more.

I like to mine solo, you are suggesting a play style I don't like, and which I have already tried out.. No need to state the obvious that this is a multiplayer game,btw its also a sandbox and I still market trade which is a multiplayer activity.

It's nto a nerf to you. All it is is a buff to other people's ship. Your hulk still mine just as much if not more than it did before patch. You enver got nerfed if you were using orca + hulk. It's just not the best solution but you didn't loose any yield. The hulk is just not the best solution for you. You only see it as a nerf because you are used to the hulk being the be all end all solution to mining. It is not anymore. There are better solution depending on how you want to mine.

It's not a nerf because the hulk didn't lose any yield. A new better option appeared but you could ahve the ewxact same yield as before without switching anything. That means you didn't get any nerf at all since you can do exactly the same for the exact same results.