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Projecting much?


Ah... but they ARE alone... unless there is more than one. But that doesn't really change anything.


Oh dear... does it hurt when you narrow your eyes that much? You're looking at each piece of advice as if you can only do one at any given time. I assure you... it's more than possible to do many of those tactics at the same time.

I'm a personal fan of the super-seboed arty ship helper and PvP-fit ratting ships. Instapopping stuff never gets old. Neither does surprising some ****** who thinks you are easy pickings.


Why would people whose job is to keep people safe be out so far away? They should be in the system where the threat is. Or where the most people are.

Untouchable Heart wrote:
Ratting with PvP ship is not help for anyone, because the rats will shot too and pilot get handicap, furthermore he will suffering income deficits too. (another economic damage suffering from inactive AFK cloaker player)
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Boo hoo. If you want to farm in a min/maxed PvE ship then accept that you're cannon fodder for any proper PvP ship.
Giving up ISK efficiency for proper point defense is working as intended IMO.

And yes... not dying to rats in a PvP-fit ship requires that you revise HOW you shoot the rats (i.e. change of tactics). If you had actually read my earlier post, you would have seen that I mentioned this (ex. don't tank and gank... speed tank and snipe them!)

Untouchable Heart wrote:
And you talking about 0.0, maybe you are a pro player and you can build cynojammer in low sec.
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Heh. No one is concerned about "AFK cloakers" in low-sec. Half of local is a potential threat at any given time (even if it's nothing but especially if it's corp/alliancemates in local). We're used to it.

And when we run level 5s down there... we do everything I mentioned above (did I mention that I like super-sebo Tornados?)

Untouchable Heart wrote:
Your buddy "facepalm" answer was the biggest ridiculous answer. Maybe you never heard about timezones, when just few players online and players dont have active buddies.
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Why are you in an alliance whose TZ is different from yours? Isn't that boring? What do you do when another alliance decides to roll in and take over?

Untouchable Heart wrote:
And why use cheaper ships reasons of inactive players ? That's not OP for an inactive player ?
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No. That's just common sense. Flying a billion ISK "shiny" with no back-up is a killmail waiting to happen. "AFK cloaker" or not.

Untouchable Heart wrote:
Inactive players why affect playstyle for active players ? That's the dumbest thing in this game.
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Indeed it is! Why should manufacturers and traders get to affect how much I have to pay for something when they aren't even logged in? It's criminal I say!



Look... as long as local chat gives null-seccers the ability to ID a hostile the instant he/she enters system, AFK Cloaking remains as the ONLY viable way to catch 0.0 ratters and miners. And it's not even foolproof either as I have been pointing out.

When local changes and stops giving away free, instant intel... only then will I accept that cloaks need a counter.

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"Ah... but they ARE alone... unless there is more than one. But that doesn't really change anything." ShahFluffers wrote

Man. the cloakers most of time not alone.

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"If you want to farm in a min/maxed PvE ship then accept that you're cannon fodder for any proper PvP ship." ShahFluffers wrote

No matter you use pvp ship or not for NPCing, the threat wont decreasing. The enemy just open a cyno and you will die, furthermore a lonely ship can kill you because the rats give extra damage on you. You will cannon fodder with your PVP ship too .
Better if the pilot use pve ship and wont go out to ratting when enemy in system.

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"Heh. No one is concerned about "AFK cloakers" in low-sec." Another stupid answer.

When we talking about broken AFK cloaking mechanics we talking about the whole problem and not just reducing to one specific area. This is the difference between your stupid or our smart opinion.
The problem is complex.

Such as your "what u tz u use" asking
US,EU,AUS,Asian TZ is different. Many times some player cant play with other one.

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"Common sense"

No, is not common sense when i wrote why get advantage an inactive player against active player.

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"Why should manufacturers and traders get to affect how much I have to pay for something when they aren't even logged in?"

ROTFL today that was the dumbest thing what i've saw from you.
Traders give threat possibility against active players ?
Inactive traders not a possible danger for your activity.

I have to agree.

I feel safer in null sec because it comes with the mentality that it's big boy space. This causes people who go there to normally have a defined reason why they are there.

This means the locals who own it and those who want something from the space.

Because of the low population of nullsec depending where you go people who are there are either blue or red. Forget the ship they are in you have an idea right off the bat they could be out to get you.

Now take lowsec, many more unknowns. You have more people most of which can be neutral though some flagged as low security. Those who have low sec status come in two stripes, those who pirate and those who proactively defend themselves when some comes out behind them or they attacked someone red to him.

Coupled with the higher population lowsec makes it so that guy who could be cloaked could be going after any body.

So no unless you want to make it easier to find targets when you are hunting so they can't run in time making any change to ask cloak screws the whole lurking shark.

So what is your proposal for being afk in a station?

Wrong wrong incorrect and wrong. The inactive player cannot manipulate another player in any way what-so-ever. Cowardly crybabies make their own decisions and do things to themselves, then try to shift the blame onto others. It is extremely dishonest. Like punching yourself in the eye then running to the police and crying that someone who wasn't even there beat you up.

Alright lets get one thing straight. An inactive player cannot manipulate anyone's game. They are inactive.

The person manipulating their game is the one who hides from the potentially inactive player. It is a self defeating choice, but it is still a choice. They do not, and cannot, force you to lose money. If they are not at the computer, they can't do anything.


Also, Fluffy and Gunslinger are not alts of each other. Their posting history would make that clear.


Just because more than one person disagrees with you does not make them alts.

OH for gods sake.

An afk player is not manipulating the game. The player who hides is.
I'll admit, there is no way to know if the cloaker is afk. But, if he is, he cannot change anything. The only change is because people like you make a change. YOU manipulate your game.

If a person is doing nothing, they cannot be doing something. Its basic logic.

And I'm not Guns alt. Stop using that stupid excuse for why people disagree with you.

This thread appears to be on a slippery slope. Good discussions benefit everyone, personal insults kill those discussions. I will leave this thread open for now, but if people cannot refrain from personal attacks then I will lock it.

Remember, not everyone will have the same opinion as you, this does not mean that they are wrong and deserving of derision and insults, it is our differences that stop things from getting stagnant. So please, be respectful of one another, and lets try and have a frank exchange of ideas, thank you - ISD Type40.

Just gunslinger and his alts trolling or insults others with crying and other words without constructive answers.
He cant tolerate when peoples disagree with him.

You still not understand the truth and just talking nonsense things.
The inactive cloaker who can terrorize active players with his scare-tactics, get advantage against active players.
Easy to understand this, who want to hear the others answers. Many players dont aggree with you in this topic, no matter how you trying with your alts. Thats not change the real things. The AFK cloaker get advance and can terrorize active players and can damage economics without playing. That is a bad game mechanics.