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Does anyone else feel Eve is just meh now?
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Velicitia
XS Tech
#21 - 2012-08-10 17:18:32 UTC
Anslo wrote:

Why should I care about my or any players story unless it drives the universe's story forward itself? Just seems narcissistic to me.


Seems that's the premise they've been using for the last 9+ years, rather than "here's your new expansion of +n levels, sparkleponies, and other stuff so you keep paying us to play PvE Rollercoaster Land VIII" that other companies use...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Anslo
Scope Works
#22 - 2012-08-10 17:32:30 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Anslo wrote:

Why should I care about my or any players story unless it drives the universe's story forward itself? Just seems narcissistic to me.


Seems that's the premise they've been using for the last 9+ years, rather than "here's your new expansion of +n levels, sparkleponies, and other stuff so you keep paying us to play PvE Rollercoaster Land VIII" that other companies use...


Then I guess this game isn't for me then =\ oh well.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#23 - 2012-08-10 17:47:35 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Anslo wrote:

Why should I care about my or any players story unless it drives the universe's story forward itself? Just seems narcissistic to me.


Seems that's the premise they've been using for the last 9+ years, rather than "here's your new expansion of +n levels, sparkleponies, and other stuff so you keep paying us to play PvE Rollercoaster Land VIII" that other companies use...


Then I guess this game isn't for me then =\ oh well.


never said that ...

... just that the idea of "CCP GIVE US STORIES!!!" is a bit off ...

go save someone from a gank or something -- instant new story Blink

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Anslo
Scope Works
#24 - 2012-08-10 17:58:47 UTC
Eh, still. Maybe it's just my apathy/depression. Need to see an RL doctor lol. I'd try RP again just to break the monotony but...oh my god they're all so uptight IC....ugh.

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Shou Kaukonen
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-08-10 18:39:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Shou Kaukonen
Anslo wrote:
Why should I care about my or any players story unless it drives the universe's story forward itself? Just seems narcissistic to me.


Not to be flame-y or put too fine a point on it, but admitting that you want to see the game universe go out in its final blaze of glory simply to have something interesting to do seems a bit narcissistic as well :p.

What you sound like you want kind of reminds me of how some tabletop games that ended their runs (old world of darkness, for example) by making crazy, epic scenarios that could never have been done during the game's main run because they would have been impossible to follow - even if you tried to continue past that point, the world would have been too warped to tell a good story in the same framework.

Not that I don't sympathize - I'd love to see a game world that has that much EPIC in it...but on the other hand, EPIC can be an even more powerful force for generating jaded cynicism than the quibbles you've mentioned. If everything is EPIC, nothing is...you have to strike a balance.

The other thing about sweeping, epic stories in video games is that they tend to be heavily managed and scripted. My advice? Swear off EVE for a bit and go spend time with some really cool, deep single player games. You've spent too long as a bittervet, it sounds like, making all the player-made mmo content you encounter just seem like noise, so spending time away from EVE and doing other, non-mmo things might remind you of what makes it worth playing. I've repeatedly un-subbed and re-subbed to EVE, after spending time away and growing to miss how dynamic everything is, even if it is on a smallish, 'personal' scale. When you return, you might consider getting into something no-strings, like RvB, to avoid the feeling of being caught up in player drama.

Just my .02 ISK.
Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-08-10 18:55:22 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Eh, still. Maybe it's just my apathy/depression. Need to see an RL doctor lol. I'd try RP again just to break the monotony but...oh my god they're all so uptight IC....ugh.

Heh, sounds like you might just be bored with the sandbox, mate. To counter that, I always have an Ultimate Goal in the back of my mind. My personal one is: help guide a corp into owning a chunk of null sec territory. That's a pretty unrealistic, unobtainable, way-beyond-the-horizon goal. Actually, I don't really want to play the null sec game, the way it is now with huge meta-game forums blob alliances. But having that in the back of my mind gives me lots of immediate, intermediate goals to work on. Help this new guy learn to whip Level 2s. Get better at PVP. Make a billion on the market. Get the corp able to live and thrive in a wormhole. Keep all the personalities in the corp interested and active. Keep steadily making isk. Having a general aim keeps me in plenty of interesting things to do. Of course, I haven't been playing as long as you have, so I may have a lot untried things to check out than you do.
Anslo
Scope Works
#27 - 2012-08-10 19:06:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Shou Kaukonen wrote:


Not that I don't sympathize - I'd love to see a game world that has that much EPIC in it...but on the other hand, EPIC can be an even more powerful force for generating jaded cynicism than the quibbles you've mentioned. If everything is EPIC, nothing is...you have to strike a balance.


alastair reynolds successfully crammed universe sizes of EPIC into his stuff without it being too world ruining.

Telegram Sam wrote:
Of course, I haven't been playing as long as you have, so I may have a lot untried things to check out than you do.


I've seen some **** mate O_O

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#28 - 2012-08-10 19:43:21 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Shou Kaukonen wrote:


Not that I don't sympathize - I'd love to see a game world that has that much EPIC in it...but on the other hand, EPIC can be an even more powerful force for generating jaded cynicism than the quibbles you've mentioned. If everything is EPIC, nothing is...you have to strike a balance.


alastair reynolds successfully crammed universe sizes of EPIC into his stuff without it being too world ruining.

Telegram Sam wrote:
Of course, I haven't been playing as long as you have, so I may have a lot untried things to check out than you do.


I've seen some **** mate O_O



Thing is as an author of a series containing ~5 books, there can be loads of "epic" in the series without it becoming "world-ruining". Shou's point stands against this insofar as the author hasn't (yet, assuming more novels in the series are forthcoming -- will have to read the series) reached the climax of the entire story.

On the same token, Tolkien had vast amounts of "epic" in his novels, though there was no way he could have continued into a 4th book after the destruction of The One Ring at the end of "The Return of the King" -- the story had reached the climax at that point, and anything after that (save for the denouement, which was in the following pages anyway) would have been strained.

Same goes here -- we have points of great action (e.g. the first days/weeks after the Apocrypha event, the first days/weeks after Sansha's Nation started invading empire, etc), and points of not so much happening (e.g. Incarna ... lol) in the story of the universe. However, that is not to say that the lulls in the backstory aren't needed -- they give us (the players) time to "write" our own stories (see: Jita blockade by the Goons, Destruction of the Jita monument, m0o, etc) ... which sometimes get written into the chronicles/stories/etc.


I've been around a while as well ... seen a hell of a lot of things ... and still want to see more -- but the player content, not just CCP's.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Anslo
Scope Works
#29 - 2012-08-10 20:14:03 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Shou Kaukonen wrote:


Not that I don't sympathize - I'd love to see a game world that has that much EPIC in it...but on the other hand, EPIC can be an even more powerful force for generating jaded cynicism than the quibbles you've mentioned. If everything is EPIC, nothing is...you have to strike a balance.


alastair reynolds successfully crammed universe sizes of EPIC into his stuff without it being too world ruining.

Telegram Sam wrote:
Of course, I haven't been playing as long as you have, so I may have a lot untried things to check out than you do.


I've seen some **** mate O_O



Thing is as an author of a series containing ~5 books, there can be loads of "epic" in the series without it becoming "world-ruining". Shou's point stands against this insofar as the author hasn't (yet, assuming more novels in the series are forthcoming -- will have to read the series) reached the climax of the entire story.

On the same token, Tolkien had vast amounts of "epic" in his novels, though there was no way he could have continued into a 4th book after the destruction of The One Ring at the end of "The Return of the King" -- the story had reached the climax at that point, and anything after that (save for the denouement, which was in the following pages anyway) would have been strained.

Same goes here -- we have points of great action (e.g. the first days/weeks after the Apocrypha event, the first days/weeks after Sansha's Nation started invading empire, etc), and points of not so much happening (e.g. Incarna ... lol) in the story of the universe. However, that is not to say that the lulls in the backstory aren't needed -- they give us (the players) time to "write" our own stories (see: Jita blockade by the Goons, Destruction of the Jita monument, m0o, etc) ... which sometimes get written into the chronicles/stories/etc.


I've been around a while as well ... seen a hell of a lot of things ... and still want to see more -- but the player content, not just CCP's.


Eh I guess....maybe I can go blow up a sun with a sleeper trap or something...

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Alexzandvar Douglass
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#30 - 2012-08-11 06:13:52 UTC
Join a Null-sec, and learn to hate the enemy really really bad.

Trust me, I have a blast with all the border wars down here.
Raubrey
KBEAR LOGIC
#31 - 2012-08-11 15:58:52 UTC
I thought this was Eve Fiction; I must have taken a wrong turn. 
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Alexzandvar Douglass
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#32 - 2012-08-11 23:25:04 UTC
Raubrey wrote:
I thought this was Eve Fiction; I must have taken a wrong turn.


The players make the story, and right now the south of New Eden is seeing some pretty big actions.
Raubrey
KBEAR LOGIC
#33 - 2012-08-12 05:48:26 UTC
Ah, I see. Well, no offense meant. Just that it looked like a general thread. Also, last time I was here it was awesome reading and prior to that there was some fun RPing I thoroughly enjoyed. I look forward to finding these gems again. 
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Llyandrian
Livestock Science Exchange
#34 - 2012-08-12 11:57:02 UTC

Since the departure of Drop Bear I don't feel engaged any more, I've said this before and it is still true:

Llyandrian wrote:

I'm reminded of Plato's Cave with CCP Abraxas as the Puppet Master and CCP Drop Bear as the educator.


I'm treading water on two accounts, subbed but not playing and I've already let one lapse.
Alexzandvar Douglass
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#35 - 2012-08-12 19:22:24 UTC
Raubrey wrote:
Ah, I see. Well, no offense meant. Just that it looked like a general thread. Also, last time I was here it was awesome reading and prior to that there was some fun RPing I thoroughly enjoyed. I look forward to finding these gems again.


I love EvE's story as much as the next guy but I play for the whole picture, Space Opera fleet battles, Ratting, and Mining.
Anslo
Scope Works
#36 - 2012-08-13 12:43:21 UTC
Raubrey wrote:
I thought this was Eve Fiction; I must have taken a wrong turn.


That's my focus here. The storyline was all that kept me going, but now....meh.

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Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#37 - 2012-08-16 20:38:05 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Raubrey wrote:
I thought this was Eve Fiction; I must have taken a wrong turn.


That's my focus here. The storyline was all that kept me going, but now....meh.



Emergence.

It doesn't happen because of all the BIG EPIC AWESOME. It happens because of the little stories.

If the little stories didn't weave together then you wouldn't get a big story.


The only narcissistic thing going on is that you feel you need a big story to care about things. Caring about other peoples story is inherently NOT narcissistic, because you're finding appreciation in their individuality and uniqueness and how that extends to a larger intrigue.



Where I am.
Caroline Grace
Retrostellar Boulevard
#38 - 2012-08-17 03:56:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Caroline Grace
Yeah, I wouldn't be afraid to even use word "catastrophic" for current situation about story background or just lore in EVE. It's horrible and I hope every day that it will get better.

EVE seriously needs live events back, needs back proper feature page for every future expansions with actual lore or background content (Inferno had / has the most pathetic feature site I have ever seen, with 0% lore content or at least saying what is going on in our universe...) and so on.

Personally I don't care much about chronicles or player driven content - I never did - and yet in the past I have felt much more from the lore and stuff like that.

It disturbs me greatly, this situation.

I'm Caroline Grace, and this is my favorite musical on the Citadel.
Sitreba Oonchevkii
#39 - 2012-08-17 11:03:34 UTC
Caroline Grace wrote:
Yeah, I wouldn't be afraid to even use word "catastrophic" for current situation about story background or just lore in EVE. It's horrible and I hope every day that it will get better.

EVE seriously needs live events back, needs back proper feature page for every future expansions with actual lore or background content (Inferno had / has the most pathetic feature site I have ever seen, with 0% lore content or at least saying what is going on in our universe...) and so on.

Personally I don't care much about chronicles or player driven content - I never did - and yet in the past I have felt much more from the lore and stuff like that.

It disturbs me greatly, this situation.


this. almost every expansion had a huge lore influence; empyrean age, apocrypha, etc. inferno and OopsincarnaOops were truly disappointing in terms of lore, and incarna just sucked all around.

Blod-red skies, strange beings, and the number 514, often written in blood.
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2012-08-17 12:48:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Qvar Dar'Zanar
Caroline Grace wrote:
EVE seriously needs live events back, needs back proper feature page for every future expansions with actual lore or background content (Inferno had / has the most pathetic feature site I have ever seen, with 0% lore content or at least saying what is going on in our universe...) and so on.


You had a whole book of lore + a chronicle, but whatever.

I mean things are happening, just that in this case they hadn't a direct effect on us yet. Also, EVE universe occours in real time, and people seem to expect see the galaxy change from left to rigth every 6 months. Jeez in RL it can take YEARS for anything to happen, just take a look at how long some wars take until they actually start.
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