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Does anyone else feel Eve is just meh now?
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Anslo
Scope Works
#1 - 2012-08-07 19:46:31 UTC
No story development, no real driving force, gankers galore, more whining, moar bots, same ships, same arcs, no station walking, no city walking, just....meh....Does anyone else feel the same? I just can't get into a game that has no story.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#2 - 2012-08-07 20:21:24 UTC
The players are the driving force.

You're with The Scope --> Be a reporter.

go do some expose piece on why people gank miners ... or why miners continue to use shitfits during HAG... and what the upcoming barge changes have done about this (yes, I know they're not going in til tomorrow, but you get the point).

Go find some corps in war, see why the aggressor dec'd the defender... and what the defender's doing about it.

Or, get out of the NPC corp ... get into a decent player corp (yeah, I know... they can be hard to find) ... make some friends, and kick someone out of a lowsec system so you can set up shop there.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Tavin Aikisen
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#3 - 2012-08-07 22:29:24 UTC
I wouldn't say "meh", but I really do miss the regular chronicles and artwork... Cry

"Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home."

-Cold Wind
Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-08-07 22:31:17 UTC
Anslo wrote:
No story development, no real driving force, gankers galore, more whining, moar bots, same ships, same arcs, no station walking, no city walking, just....meh....Does anyone else feel the same? I just can't get into a game that has no story.


You should read the books. It will probably change your perspective of the game.
Sitreba Oonchevkii
#5 - 2012-08-08 00:46:06 UTC
i partially agree that the storyline is becoming slow. I really want to see some more BIG events in the fiction, and some expansion on some of the more mysterious factions, particularly the enheduanni, which i am really fascinated about. One of the few things we are told about them is that they are manipulating the empires to eventually guide them to their version of utopia. Maybe they could finally appear and try to uplift the races. Other fictional events could be more gameplay oriented, like the thukkers beheading concord again, and there could be a period of a few days where the empires and capsuleers are faceraping each other with supercaps in hisec. We could see incursion mechanics used with other pirates races, but with fictional twists. maybe the Jove can go extinct from their disease or move on from the cluster, and we can salvage and reverse engineer their advanced technology. just some ideas, sorry if i hijack this thread Oops

Blod-red skies, strange beings, and the number 514, often written in blood.
Arkturus McFadden
Anukar
#6 - 2012-08-08 02:43:04 UTC
EVE is what you make it Smile

Also.. I think the whole idea of roleplay player driven events hasn't really blossomed just yet. I'd give it time Blink
Ezek Price
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#7 - 2012-08-08 11:23:31 UTC
In some ways, yes EVE storyline wise has slowed down. The last two expansions to really advance the story were the Empyrean Age and Incursion. This is sort of to be expected, we couldn't really expect a relentless advance of story telling. We may have a universe where there are immortal men but things take time especially on an intergalatic scale. So in a RP sense, we are merely in the lull before the storm.

Storm's coming. Wait for Dust, I suspect some more face changing fiction to arrive with that. It will take time but I am sure things will pick up.

As for the production of chronicles and so forth, if you read the chronicles so far for this year, I am sure you will be impressed with the quality of what is being done and also the feeling of being set up for something bigger. In previous years, EVE was yet a formless and young entity so the number of fiction articles being produced was bound to be higher.

We can expect some very high quality ficiton soon.

War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left.

My blog, Civire Commander: http://civre.blogspot.co.uk/
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#8 - 2012-08-08 11:37:18 UTC
Anslo wrote:
No story development, no real driving force, gankers galore, more whining, moar bots, same ships, same arcs, no station walking, no city walking, just....meh....Does anyone else feel the same? I just can't get into a game that has no story.


I think the current situation is that DUST514 and EVE are merging; so you are going to see two great warring factions coming together.

The Marketing Department VERSUS The Story Department.

Don't even try to come between the two - because the amount of Powerpoint and Excel talent fighting against Word sentence and grammer correction skillpoints is going to be immense.

Clash of the Titans is going to look like a childs tea-party when this is over.

I think Marketing will win, but not by a landslide.

The upcoming videos will be awesome, though.

John Woo's "Hard Boiled" will look like "What's your number?" in comparison.

Callin' it first.

AK

This space for rent.
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#9 - 2012-08-08 11:52:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Inquisitor Kitchner
Considering that the whole idea behind DUST is that:

Transfer of conciousness always used to happen only when a clone was in a capsule, hence why only capsuleers and the rich could be cloned.

Amarr stumble upon ANCIENT FUTURE TECH and find an implant that allows this conciousness to be transferred into another clone even at the point of death without a capsule.

The Empress decides too many Amarr soldiers have given their lives for war, so by turning them into SUPER SOLDIERS with clones they need never "lose" a soldier ever again.

Despite being in an alliance with the Amarr the Caldari (this may be the Gallente tbf, I didn't pay much attention) decide they can't allow a singular military power to hold such an incredible advantage.

DUST happens.

Capsuleers called upon by their respective Empires to fight even harder for the cause and partake in orbital bombardments and escorting troops across to the other side of the galaxy. All the while the Capsuleer alliances outside of Empire space hire mercenaries for their own nefarious ends and burn and pillage the planets of their opponents as now a battlion of 1000 soldiers can do the work that would usually take millions.

That sounds like story development to me ?


Edit:

- Plus you have the Amarrian conflict that traditionally the public in Amarr believe being a clone makes it impossible to go to heaven, so you know... religious arguments and stuff.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Anslo
Scope Works
#10 - 2012-08-08 13:58:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
I know EVE is what you make it, and the ideas of things to do are good but....I've done it all :\

Been in the nul corps and fleets
Been in the RP corps and events
Delved into the stories of wars and gankers

But in the end, it's all the same as in the real world. People shoot other people to be pricks or for resources. Politics like that never interested me. PvP, once an art, is now just trolling in the maximum. As said earlier by others, I'd love to see more story driving. The books and chronicles have fueled the fire of my appetite for lore even more now. I want a Sleeper to talk to us. I want to see an invasion of them. I want to see an ancient race reveal itself. I want to see another Ishukone event where WE could prevent it from happening. I want to see more Sansha RPing here and then being owned by The Other for being a cocky bastard. I want to see the Joves come out to ask for help against their new foe. Even more, and I know it would NEVER happen, I want to see the Light return from the Dark Heart of the Mother or whatever the Prophecy says (i.e. TERRANS RETURN).

I want to see ground breaking earth shattering in your face stories unfolding right in front of me with nothing but a ship at my command, a couple of guns to shoot, and a prayer that I survive. I don't care about the pvp-tards and their e-peen waving competition out in nul. I don't care about gankers. I don't care, really, about other players trying to feed their ego in pointless RP battles using overly engineered phrases to look like "SUPER SERIOUZ" walking lexicons of angst and snobbery.

New Eden needs a **** storm courtesy of a group more powerful than ever encountered. Something ancient and powerful needs to show up and whip some asses to kick the stagnant story and repetitive parts of this game out the air lock.

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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#11 - 2012-08-09 10:32:48 UTC
Anslo wrote:
I know EVE is what you make it, and the ideas of things to do are good but....I've done it all :\

Been in the nul corps and fleets
Been in the RP corps and events
Delved into the stories of wars and gankers

But in the end, it's all the same as in the real world. People shoot other people to be pricks or for resources. Politics like that never interested me. PvP, once an art, is now just trolling in the maximum. As said earlier by others, I'd love to see more story driving. The books and chronicles have fueled the fire of my appetite for lore even more now. I want a Sleeper to talk to us. I want to see an invasion of them. I want to see an ancient race reveal itself. I want to see another Ishukone event where WE could prevent it from happening. I want to see more Sansha RPing here and then being owned by The Other for being a cocky bastard. I want to see the Joves come out to ask for help against their new foe. Even more, and I know it would NEVER happen, I want to see the Light return from the Dark Heart of the Mother or whatever the Prophecy says (i.e. TERRANS RETURN).

I want to see ground breaking earth shattering in your face stories unfolding right in front of me with nothing but a ship at my command, a couple of guns to shoot, and a prayer that I survive. I don't care about the pvp-tards and their e-peen waving competition out in nul. I don't care about gankers. I don't care, really, about other players trying to feed their ego in pointless RP battles using overly engineered phrases to look like "SUPER SERIOUZ" walking lexicons of angst and snobbery.

New Eden needs a **** storm courtesy of a group more powerful than ever encountered. Something ancient and powerful needs to show up and whip some asses to kick the stagnant story and repetitive parts of this game out the air lock.


From a story perspective, I fully agree; from a game perspective, I do not.

The player base would have a great deal of enjoyment reading or watching a story with these elements, but the unnatural futility this would present to our subconscious would be an unwelcome guest to our game.

Also, once you go down that road ( Jove or Terran ) you cannot put it back into the box, and it would unstitch the fabric of our galaxy.

Sometimes it is better to dream, as nightmares disappear when you wake.

AK

This space for rent.
Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#12 - 2012-08-09 13:37:15 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:

- Plus you have the Amarrian conflict that traditionally the public in Amarr believe being a clone makes it impossible to go to heaven, so you know... religious arguments and stuff.


Off topic, but just poking my head in to point something out here: This prohibition applies ONLY to the royal flesh; that is, the royal heirs and their close family.



Regarding the OP: Here's my question for you:

You ask for large, in-your-face events; as other have pointed out, however, these have the potential to terminally upset the balance of power in the cluster, in turn potentially forcing the radical redesigning large portions of the game. Given that this not only would not force CCP to expend large amounts of resources to represent the ongoing shifts to the entire cluster, but also in turn make many of these changes merely transient as the next major shift rolled through, it seems highly unlikely CCP will as a money-producing company go to this kind of length.

What if, instead, there were an ongoing chain of small, lower-level and less dramatically shifting events which could be more reasonably implemented without forcing a major redesign of the universe every few months? Would this be more/less interesting to you? Would it appeal to you at all?

[Addendum: I aimed the question at the OP, but anyone feel free to answer.
Anslo
Scope Works
#13 - 2012-08-09 13:50:26 UTC
Esna Pitoojee wrote:
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:

- Plus you have the Amarrian conflict that traditionally the public in Amarr believe being a clone makes it impossible to go to heaven, so you know... religious arguments and stuff.


Off topic, but just poking my head in to point something out here: This prohibition applies ONLY to the royal flesh; that is, the royal heirs and their close family.



Regarding the OP: Here's my question for you:

You ask for large, in-your-face events; as other have pointed out, however, these have the potential to terminally upset the balance of power in the cluster, in turn potentially forcing the radical redesigning large portions of the game. Given that this not only would not force CCP to expend large amounts of resources to represent the ongoing shifts to the entire cluster, but also in turn make many of these changes merely transient as the next major shift rolled through, it seems highly unlikely CCP will as a money-producing company go to this kind of length.

What if, instead, there were an ongoing chain of small, lower-level and less dramatically shifting events which could be more reasonably implemented without forcing a major redesign of the universe every few months? Would this be more/less interesting to you? Would it appeal to you at all?

[Addendum: I aimed the question at the OP, but anyone feel free to answer.


I guess, something consistent at least. Something to break the monotony and lead to something, anything. But then again, part of me still wants that big event. I guess I secretly want Eve to implode and move on. The games almost been around for 10 years. If stirring the pot leads to some big game shifting and potentially ending event, I'd want to be there...but most of me doesn't want that to happen (the game ending that is).

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#14 - 2012-08-09 17:41:39 UTC
Anslo wrote:
(stuff)


I still don't see why CCP has to do this for you...

or am I missing something here?

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Anslo
Scope Works
#15 - 2012-08-09 17:56:53 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Anslo wrote:
(stuff)


I still don't see why CCP has to do this for you...

or am I missing something here?


Exactly how does one open the Eve Gate themselves sans admins or devs? Let alone try to get ANYTHING RP/Lore related rolling without people saying "Nope, it's not canon, you're not with CCP, gtfo."

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Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-08-09 22:10:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Telegram Sam
I kind of agree with OP, but from a little different perspective I guess. When I started playing EVE again a year ago, it seemed there was more RP/canon "energy" going on. From the community itself, if not from CCP. More fiction contests, more discussion here in the EVE Fiction forum, more activity in Arek Jalaan (sp). Personally I'd like to see more fiction writing contests happening. Fiction, whether you're reading it or writing it, gets you immersed in the canon and visualizing things and possibilities in the New Eden milieu. There's still an unlimited amount of things out there to write about. Some quick examples: the psychology of isolated (yet dangerous) life in wormhole; planetside (non-capuleer) life in the various cultures; intra- or inter-corporate intrigue; lives of station dwellers or ships' crews; crime stories; Vherokior spirituality; the Dark Ages. Then there are current events in the EVE world: Burn Jita; Hulkageddon; incursions; the new aspects of Faction Warfare. With a little imagination, any of these could be a backdrop for good story.

In any event, I'd like to see some more well-publicized, well-organized fiction contests. With good prizes. I plan to put a contest together myself some time. Possibly an art/images contest as well. (Not screenshots-- actual art). (I have to be an older and richer player to afford decent prizes, though). Blink If anybody wants to colloborate on organizing a contest, let me know.
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#17 - 2012-08-10 06:24:32 UTC
The way I feel about this, particularly in relation to the books and chronicles is that there is a lot of stuff happening... But far, far too much of it is stuff that, at least from and IC perspective, we have no idea that it is going on.

Sleepers, Sarum, The Other, The Broker, secret meetings between the leaders of the nations, Ehuadihanahdanihandi, the Jove, even the Dust stuff. Our characters have NO IDEA it is happening. In some ways, I think this good because a whole lot of that stuff I find retardedly immersion breaking. On the other hand, it gives us very little new stuff to talk about, which just leads to the same old arguments recycling over and over again.

Want more in game stuff that isn't completely moronic when put in context with the rest of eve please.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#18 - 2012-08-10 16:30:20 UTC
Kalaratiri wrote:
The way I feel about this, particularly in relation to the books and chronicles is that there is a lot of stuff happening... But far, far too much of it is stuff that, at least from and IC perspective, we have no idea that it is going on.

Sleepers, Sarum, The Other, The Broker, secret meetings between the leaders of the nations, Ehuadihanahdanihandi, the Jove, even the Dust stuff. Our characters have NO IDEA it is happening. In some ways, I think this good because a whole lot of that stuff I find retardedly immersion breaking. On the other hand, it gives us very little new stuff to talk about, which just leads to the same old arguments recycling over and over again.

Want more in game stuff that isn't completely moronic when put in context with the rest of eve please.


Thing is, it's not necessarily something we don't know about IC. Some of the stuff (Jamyl being crazy as hell, "how" the Templars came about, super sekrit meetings), yeah we don't know about.

The other stuff (DUST Mercs, the Jove, etc) we probably know about IC... maybe not as thoroughly as what's given to us in the books or other stuff, but we still know about them and are preparing to work/deal with them.

And then, there's a lot of goings-on that we honestly don't give a rat's ass about ... for the simple reason we're capsuleers.

That said, it still sounds like the OP is concerned about "where are the stories that they give us" rather than "how do I make my own story" (or "how do we hear about someone else's story").


One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Aethion Mirra
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#19 - 2012-08-10 16:36:08 UTC
Arkturus McFadden wrote:
EVE is what you make it Smile

Also.. I think the whole idea of roleplay player driven events hasn't really blossomed just yet. I'd give it time Blink




You are not familiar with PIE Inc. are you?

Roleplay used to be huge years ago, now it's been fading.

Retired Captain, PIE Inc.
Anslo
Scope Works
#20 - 2012-08-10 16:37:39 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Kalaratiri wrote:
The way I feel about this, particularly in relation to the books and chronicles is that there is a lot of stuff happening... But far, far too much of it is stuff that, at least from and IC perspective, we have no idea that it is going on.

Sleepers, Sarum, The Other, The Broker, secret meetings between the leaders of the nations, Ehuadihanahdanihandi, the Jove, even the Dust stuff. Our characters have NO IDEA it is happening. In some ways, I think this good because a whole lot of that stuff I find retardedly immersion breaking. On the other hand, it gives us very little new stuff to talk about, which just leads to the same old arguments recycling over and over again.

Want more in game stuff that isn't completely moronic when put in context with the rest of eve please.


Thing is, it's not necessarily something we don't know about IC. Some of the stuff (Jamyl being crazy as hell, "how" the Templars came about, super sekrit meetings), yeah we don't know about.

The other stuff (DUST Mercs, the Jove, etc) we probably know about IC... maybe not as thoroughly as what's given to us in the books or other stuff, but we still know about them and are preparing to work/deal with them.

And then, there's a lot of goings-on that we honestly don't give a rat's ass about ... for the simple reason we're capsuleers.

That said, it still sounds like the OP is concerned about "where are the stories that they give us" rather than "how do I make my own story" (or "how do we hear about someone else's story").




Why should I care about my or any players story unless it drives the universe's story forward itself? Just seems narcissistic to me.

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