EVE General Discussion

I that not what you are arguing, that the safety of hi-sec should be removed... which would not turn it into null, but pretty close to low-sec.

I feel that EVE has a lot of unnecessary complexity and redundancy, and when that is removed, it is a good thing. I'm all in favour of a complex game. But when that complexity improves the experience, and doesn't hamper it.

Good example is drone UI. To launch drones, I have to open drone bay if not open already. Expand drones in hangar. Mouse over to group I want. Right click to bring up contextual menu. And left-click launch drones to finally launch them. If I wanted to see which drones I actually have in a given group, that's another click.

Best case scenario to launch drones is 3 clicks. Worst case scenario 5 clicks. Does this add complexity to the game? Yes, it does. But is this a necessary complexity? Does it improve the player's gaming experience? Nope. Does it require skill to use? Nope. Does it require special knowledge or decision making? Nope. It's just 3 clicks you have to do in order to perform a simple task that should be done with 1 click, or best yet automatically. As in, when enemy is targeted, you hit one button and drones get deployed and attack immediately.

So it all depends on how you look at it.

EVE's learning curve is also nowhere near as complex as it sounds. What makes it so complicated is because 90% of the mechanics are not explained anywhere in the tutorial or the manual. You have to go and dig through websites like EVE Uni to find these details.

And OP, yes I agree that it's highly ironic that people who shout to others to HTFU and adapt refuse to do so in face of changes that make the game a little less obtuse.

Tippia, between your selective quoting, looking at a green piece of paper and insisting its a fact that this paper is red and complete lack of understanding of anything except your own ideas makes conversations with you similiar to what I experiance with my mother, so I have to ask, are you a 65 year old women that no longer has sex?

Lets start at the begining shall we


Selective quoting here... the complete quote your looking for is



mmmkay...

Lets not mince words because your argument is flat. High Sec is a safe zone. That is a fact. There are some work arounds where in select situations its possible to suicide gank someone, but by and large this only happens for select reasons. The large majority of the population in high sec is 100% safe and strictly speaking even miners in hulks could be 100% safe with just a few minor adjustments to their tactics. Been playing this game for 6 years, I don't even know anyone nore have I met anyone in game that has been suicide ganked, from where I'm standing its like a myth or something. The point however of High Sec being a safe zone as is CCP's intention (as outline at fanfest 2012 during the crimewatch 2.0 discussion) is that if someone decides to remove your safty they will be heavily punished for it. Aka effectively they are creating an intentional deterant to curve crime in high sec.

moving on.



Let me make sure I understanding you correctly. A live statistic, from inside the game that can be monitored 100% of the time that proves without a shadow of a doubt that the majority of all players at anytime are in High Sec is insufficient evidence for you? Seriously what other evidence do you need? Is this even really in dispute?

Well, it certainly makes highsec a whole lot less safe. Too bad it does it in rather stupid ways.[/quote]

Again, I really think you need to read up on CrimeWatch 2.0. It does a lot of things, but making High Sec less safe is certainly not one of them. At least in the version presented at Fanfest. CrimeWatch 2.0 basically says do what you want, but the consequences are going to be harsh and the oppertunity for retalition will go beyond simply getting your ship blown up.

One of my favorite aspects of crime watch is that player policing will actually be possibel without a bunch of stupidity. You comit a crime, your a criminal, your open game to everyone in Eve. I love it.

Not people in general , just the blob coalition and empire griefers.Both the types that evade any risk pvp , talk about playing it safe are we?

It is happening, its just happening in a way that is more in tune with how an in game world should be represented, with some semblence of vision. We call it suicide ganking because its effectivly a work around game mechanics intended to prevent it... aka, concord comes in and kills you as punishment for your crime (attacking a player in high sec). Suicide ganking is made possible and effectively punishment free by clever fits on low cost ships with player alliances supporting the effort. In essence an distortion of the intended mechanic, aka, players who suicide gank (comit crimes) should be punished, but they are not because of the circumstances of how the act is being performed, the result is a quasi punishment that has little impact as a deterent to players.

Instead it appears CCP will continue to allow it, which they should, but create real punishments that will feel as such, another words, a real deternt to crime.

This gives the games mechanics a basis.

Further crimewatch 2.0 assuming they stick to the announced vision will have the added benefit to allow players to actually police High Sec space without comlicated criminal flags that rarely make any sense. Instead it will be simple... you comit a crime, your flagged a criminal and you can be killed by anyone anywhere without consequence.

How it should be.

but high sec is suppose to be safe.....

its where most trading is done, surely the corps who run there stations would want secure space?

it makes perfect sense.......

you have lowsec for pirate runs/raids
nillsec for pvp and what ever you want...

the only reason you'd want to pvp in highsec is just to grief new players....

thats what all this moaning is about.

why not change all the crying posts to the same topic "i play eve so i can kill noobs, i don't pvp in nilsec because i fail at real pvp"

like in my other post. if thats how you get your rocks off griefing new players. then just remove the game client and make eve better for the rest of us.

It depends how deep they go into the exact penalties of the timers in the new crime watch. My understanding is that the intent is to make them much longer so that getting blown up after a gank in high sec has longer periods of criminal flagging.

Personally I think it should be based on the sec rating of the person blown up... 15 x there sec rating or something like that.

But lets be serious.. shooting back? They aren't ganking tanked out mission runners here, they are blowing up miners and haulers and as it is right now there is no reason to shoot back since they get popped anyway.

There needs to be stiff long term penalties and consequences to players that aren't a matter of a 15 minute timer and a few low sec rat kills to get sec status back. Again risk vs. reward... little risk, with way too much reward in the case of suicide ganking.

Remove Local
Destructible Outposts
Nerf SupCaps

Game is fixed.

Removing local I think would be the single best thing that could possibly happen to the game. I don't know about the other two, I have no opinion about it.

High sec is safer.