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Yakiya Katsuo
Doomheim
#61 - 2012-08-07 03:56:52 UTC
Bitter vet is bitter.

FFS, for all the complaining they do about carebears I hear more tears from vets than anyone else.

Eve is NOT pvp, it is a living world. PvP is strong component of that but not the be all and end all of that.

If you leave over it, im glad your gone.

GTFO and gimmie your stuff.
Attica
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2012-08-07 04:02:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Attica
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Attica wrote:
Players wil either adapt or unsub and more ppl will try the game and like it.

And what happens if these changes make the established player base look elsewhere, but at the same time fail to bring in enough new players? You make it sound like massive changes to EVE ("evolution") will definitely increase the game's subscription count, but that is by no means guaranteed.

Word-of-mouth has been consistently proven to be a stronger long-term marketing strategy for MMOs than direct advertisement.



I never said or implied that, you insinuated(?) it. Its always a gamble no matter the path taken. What has truly been consistently proven is that when something grows stale you throw it out. Changes have to be made eventually, some liked and some hated but they have to come. CCP isnt going to bring in new players if they keep the same old formula, its been around 8 years already and every company is looking for growth not stagnation. So take the chance and maybe win big or lay on the couch growing mold.

Edit- it's late and I must hit the sack but shall return to this most interesting thread.

Pirate tears are yummier than carebear tears for they come from the deeper well of anguish.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#63 - 2012-08-07 04:13:08 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
learn to adapt, scrub. EVE pvp was FAR too easy for pirates as it was. With this change, gamers who pvp might not think EVE is such a skilles POS as they currently do when it comes to pvp.


This is not about one person's pixel spaceship urp-sploding someone else's pixel-spaceship, you blinkered, shallow, archetypical modern/mainstream gamer cliche.

Bloody Hell...Roll

Not just simple ignorance here --that's easily enough remedied-- but militant unreason.

Your kind almost literally makes me ill, IRL. I play games to get away from your ilk, and here we have an industry increasingly catering to same. What, there aren't enough games suited to them? Go check out that pay-to-win mess Black Prophecy has apparently become, it's clearly more your speed, and it even has ::Spaceships (TM):: too.

Is that the future of MMOs?

If that is the case, then maybe CCP should "go dark" in a few more years.

Go out on a high note, unlike say, the slow protracted death-spiral of SW: G.

You are just trolling, I hope?

If so, then....eeerrrm...keep practising.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#64 - 2012-08-07 04:18:00 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Your kind almost literally makes me ill, IRL. I play games to get away from your ilk, and here we have an industry increasingly catering to same. What, there aren't enough games suited to them? Go check out that pay-to-win mess Black Prophecy has apparently become, it's clearly more your speed, and it even has ::Spaceships (TM):: too.

Is that the future of MMOs?

Maybe we need some new class of game. There was a time before MMOs, and this will be known as the time before ???

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#65 - 2012-08-07 04:26:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Your kind almost literally makes me ill, IRL. I play games to get away from your ilk, and here we have an industry increasingly catering to same. What, there aren't enough games suited to them? Go check out that pay-to-win mess Black Prophecy has apparently become, it's clearly more your speed, and it even has ::Spaceships (TM):: too.

Is that the future of MMOs?

Maybe we need some new class of game. There was a time before MMOs, and this will be known as the time before ???


[Existential-angst-fuelled intellectual wanking]

"[...]

The eyes are not here
There are no eyes here
In this valley of dying stars
In this hollow valley
This broken jaw of our lost kingdoms

In this last of meeting places
We grope together
And avoid speech
Gathered on this beach of the tumid river

[...]" (T. S. Eliot)

[/Existential-angst-fuelled intellectual wanking]

E:

I'll adress what some have said, re-- Evolution of EVE.

What CCP apparently wants to do is not evolution, it is revolution: They are trying to make a niche-product go mainstream, and can't seem to grasp why that attempt will almost certainly fail.

There's a reason specialised products are often also niche products, and why they should usually stay that way. They can't be all things to all people. And yet, that hasn't hurt CCP over the last near-10 years. How many MMOs ever last that long?

They may well see it as "evolving," but if so, then it's in all the wrong directions.

Tippia --another ::Official GoodPoaster(TM):: -- was right in this one thread, once, and in a much more broad sense than she may have meant with that thread:

Carebears --the wrong kind of carebears for EVE-- are not necessary for EVE to function.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#66 - 2012-08-07 04:34:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
Virgil Travis wrote:

I think turf burglar sees "skilles" as those exhibited by teenagers on a caffiene rush. There's a reason they call it twitch based gaming.


this is exactly what awful players tell themselves when ppl talk about skill-based games. EVE piracy has too long been a haven for the awful pvper, requiring no skill or talent, just paper/rock/scissors bullshit and gangbangs that are not even remotely challenging in any way. The skill ceiling got raised a few inches off the floor and all the terribad babies come to the forums to flood it with a river of delicious tears. Fking classic.

L2P, scrubs. Real pvpers would welcome this change and adapt.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#67 - 2012-08-07 04:38:21 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
What CCP apparently wants to do is not evolution, it is revolution: They are trying to make a niche-product go mainstream, and can't seem to grasp why that attempt will almost certainly fail.

At the least it'll be a period of chipping away not a single massive structure-shooting fest like Incarna.

Sometimes you gotta go to the extremes slowly.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#68 - 2012-08-07 04:39:02 UTC
OP claims that CCP is dumbing the game down, but in every example he gives its the player base causing the lack of PVP.

In a nutshell, he is pissed that people don't want to PvP, and have found ways to avoid it. Riddle me this Batman; if there are more people in Eve now, how was it more dangerous then? The answer is I am asking the wrong question. You dont want it to be more dangerous for you, you want it to be more dangerous for noobs so you can assrape them.

You can get PvP within 5 minutes with the new war dec system if you want it. Every war is open unless the defender closes it. Zero excuses.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#69 - 2012-08-07 04:43:03 UTC
You can join a war and immediately start shooting?

Hm, thought you had to wait 24 hours. Well in that case, some interesting tactics could be formed...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Mors Sanctitatis
Death of Virtue
#70 - 2012-08-07 04:46:12 UTC
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
OP claims that CCP is dumbing the game down, but in every example he gives its the player base causing the lack of PVP.

In a nutshell, he is pissed that people don't want to PvP, and have found ways to avoid it. Riddle me this Batman; if there are more people in Eve now, how was it more dangerous then? The answer is I am asking the wrong question. You dont want it to be more dangerous for you, you want it to be more dangerous for noobs so you can assrape them.

You can get PvP within 5 minutes with the new war dec system if you want it. Every war is open unless the defender closes it. Zero excuses.



NPC corp? Coincidence? I think not.

Intelligence shouldn't be free.   Mining, reloaded.   ADDICTED.

Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#71 - 2012-08-07 04:50:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Soundwave Plays Diablo
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
OP claims that CCP is dumbing the game down, but in every example he gives its the player base causing the lack of PVP.

In a nutshell, he is pissed that people don't want to PvP, and have found ways to avoid it. Riddle me this Batman; if there are more people in Eve now, how was it more dangerous then? The answer is I am asking the wrong question. You dont want it to be more dangerous for you, you want it to be more dangerous for noobs so you can assrape them.

You can get PvP within 5 minutes with the new war dec system if you want it. Every war is open unless the defender closes it. Zero excuses.



NPC corp? Coincidence? I think not.


Banned main for speaking my mind.

I notice you failed to comment on the actual content of my post, even though I gave you that respect.

Typical bitter vet.

Quote:
You can join a war and immediately start shooting?

Hm, thought you had to wait 24 hours. Well in that case, some interesting tactics could be formed...


Concord will still shoot at you for 24 hours in hisec, and I suppose "5 minutes" is an exaggeration. However if you can't find any PvP in Eve you are on the left side of the bell curve.

Its a filthy ******* job but someone has to do it.
Yakiya Katsuo
Doomheim
#72 - 2012-08-07 04:53:41 UTC
OP, how about instead of whining like a little ***** you actually adapt?

I'm sick of you bitter vets all you do is cry about the "old days" and how Eve is only about pvp...

As a newish player (1year) I have to say I like how eve is now and the direction it is going in. I refuse to have you vocal cry-vets ruin the game for me.

So again

GTFO and gimmie your stuff
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#73 - 2012-08-07 05:04:52 UTC
Yakiya Katsuo wrote:
GTFO and gimmie your stuff

Work for it, like we did.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Yakiya Katsuo
Doomheim
#74 - 2012-08-07 05:06:13 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Yakiya Katsuo wrote:
GTFO and gimmie your stuff

Work for it, like we did.


fail comprehension haha
Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#75 - 2012-08-07 05:08:41 UTC
So, not once during those eight years did you go to nullsec?

That's as lethal, rewarding and risky as ever. Hell, have you not been in Wormhole space?

They're making security more, well, secure. And this is a problem? You know, giving players choices on how they want to run their game? Either going for safe but time consuming in high sec or risky and rewarding in null sec.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#76 - 2012-08-07 05:10:44 UTC
The terrible irony is that if the carebears have their way, we won't be able to tell them "told you so" because the game is going to be dead and we won't be able to communicate (not that they'll pry themselves away from the latest Zynga money pump long enough to listen anyway).

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Deise Koraka
Caldari Investigations and Forensics
#77 - 2012-08-07 05:12:23 UTC
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:


But that's not what Eve is about. Eve is about PVP. And until CCP fixes that, it's not worth subbing. Such a waste.


That's funny, I've been on EvE for a while now, and never PvP'ed once.

I think what you meant to say was:

"But that's not what Eve is about for me. Eve for me, is about PVP. And until CCP caters to what I want, it's not worth subbing. No one will miss me."

I am a carebear, and I support High Sec ganking and PvP. Just please, don't blow up my Hulk*. **<3 **

*Mackinaw as of Inferno 1.2
Mors Sanctitatis
Death of Virtue
#78 - 2012-08-07 05:15:15 UTC
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
OP claims that CCP is dumbing the game down, but in every example he gives its the player base causing the lack of PVP.

In a nutshell, he is pissed that people don't want to PvP, and have found ways to avoid it. Riddle me this Batman; if there are more people in Eve now, how was it more dangerous then? The answer is I am asking the wrong question. You dont want it to be more dangerous for you, you want it to be more dangerous for noobs so you can assrape them.

You can get PvP within 5 minutes with the new war dec system if you want it. Every war is open unless the defender closes it. Zero excuses.



NPC corp? Coincidence? I think not.


Banned main for speaking my mind.

I notice you failed to comment on the actual content of my post, even though I gave you that respect.

Typical bitter vet.


Ok, I'll bite:

1) You can't start shooting your war targets 5 minutes after deccing your opponent.

2) By the very rules of the game, if the game is more dangerous in general, it is also more dangerous for me. I'm not ISD, I don't get a special ship with special rules and be treated differently. I fully expect to have to deal with the same mechanics that everyone else has to deal with.

3) Perpetual wars? Only if the defender *chooses* to keep it going, and 99% of the time, the defender can always run from a fight. Again, you're so obtuse that you fail to see my point completely. THE GAME IS BALANCED TOO FAR IN THE FAVOR OF THE DEFENDER (VICTIM).

When I was new, Eve was a merciless and lethal environment. Death was everywhere. You think suicide ganking is easy now? Try five years ago when two Caracals could run down an Iteron 5 with half a bil in cargo/expanders from 30 jumps away and kill it with ease. If todays players had to play in that environment, carebears' would little pea brains would explode from the selfrighteous indignation.

People like you (unlike me) get "difficult and hard for everyone" confused with "difficult and hard for me". See, changes to the game that make it more difficult in general (no warp to zero, no local, no jump freighters, no jump bridges, no dictor bubbles, etc. etc. etc.) don't just make the game more difficult for you personally. It makes it more difficult for everyone in the game. And an easy game isn't always the best game.

Example: a hill climb racer was asked what makes a good race course (hill) and he answered: "If only one or two (out of a hundred) make it to the top, it's a good course. If everyone makes to the top, it's no good." People like yoursef want a hill where 95% of the players can make it to the top. I want a game where only a few can make it to the top, and only by being as creative as possible and outwitting other players.

So, in closing, when I say "CCP is dumbing down the game", that's what I'm referring to: they're changing the game so that more people can reach the top even though they have an IQ of 60.

And finally, how can I have any respect for you? I don't know you. Why would you think that I have any respect for you at all? You haven't earned any.

Intelligence shouldn't be free.   Mining, reloaded.   ADDICTED.

Mors Sanctitatis
Death of Virtue
#79 - 2012-08-07 05:17:38 UTC
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
OP claims that CCP is dumbing the game down, but in every example he gives its the player base causing the lack of PVP.

In a nutshell, he is pissed that people don't want to PvP, and have found ways to avoid it. Riddle me this Batman; if there are more people in Eve now, how was it more dangerous then? The answer is I am asking the wrong question. You dont want it to be more dangerous for you, you want it to be more dangerous for noobs so you can assrape them.

You can get PvP within 5 minutes with the new war dec system if you want it. Every war is open unless the defender closes it. Zero excuses.


N P C corp...

Intelligence shouldn't be free.   Mining, reloaded.   ADDICTED.

Mors Sanctitatis
Death of Virtue
#80 - 2012-08-07 05:19:01 UTC
Deise Koraka wrote:
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:


But that's not what Eve is about. Eve is about PVP. And until CCP fixes that, it's not worth subbing. Such a waste.


That's funny, I've been on EvE for a while now, and never PvP'ed once.

I think what you meant to say was:

"But that's not what Eve is about for me. Eve for me, is about PVP. And until CCP caters to what I want, it's not worth subbing. No one will miss me."


NPC corp...


FFS CCP. Ban NPC Corp characters from posting on the forums already. Get some accountability for once in this game. They're cluttering up my gorgeous thread.

Intelligence shouldn't be free.   Mining, reloaded.   ADDICTED.