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Mors Sanctitatis
Death of Virtue
#41 - 2012-08-07 02:52:29 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Damn...[/sadface]

For those not familiar, the OP is the author of one of the few threads in F&I that is NOT complete and utter puling carebear garbage.

I was just about to plug it in another discussion, but...yeah. (You really should go see that thread, and bump it, though, just on principle. And if you don't see why that is so, then you can **** off back to WoW.)

We need more players like this, not less, but once again, ::CCP:: seems to be crawling up the arse of the "we can Do Mainstream(TM), too!!111oneoneone!" delusion -- because that worked so outstandingly well the last time!

What is left for people like us, people who get the sandbox, and thrive within it, in whatever manner? Less and less, that I can see.

I think I'll go with what Desti said, though, and do similarly:

Give it time --I do love mah losec solo exploration-corner of the sandbox, too-- to see what goes.

(And if the High Command in Reyki were to tell...certain parties...that they have 45 minutes to clean out their desks before Security escorts them from the building, then that would not go amiss, eitherRoll)

o7, Pilot.

Hopefully there'll be something you can come back to eventually, because I think/I hope/I pray that CCP will realise that this new centre they're trying to build, cannot possibly hold.

Why is this?

Because when you take away what makes the sandbox what it is, what gives the community the incentive to make it so, then you are left with --all that you are left with-- Is...

...

...

A not-that-great game whose age is really starting to show. And that's it.



I appreciate your kind words. I really do. But the only thing that CCP understands is money, and the only thing I can do is vote with my cash and take it elsewhere. Frankly, I think it would be an interesting exercise to study how much money CCP makes per person, over the lifetime of that person playing the game, and see just how much money is spent by the older (in Eve play time) players with multiple accounts and long term accounts, vs. younger players that play for a few months and drop it.

I think that the data would show that in the long run, older players end up spending much more money over the lifetime of their playing the game than the hordes of new players.

Intelligence shouldn't be free.   Mining, reloaded.   ADDICTED.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#42 - 2012-08-07 02:57:01 UTC
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:
I think that the data would show that in the long run, older players end up spending much more money over the lifetime of their playing the game than the hordes of new players.

What does CCP's financial structure look like, do they have the ol' Quarterly Report pressure or something like that?

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snake pies
Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society
#43 - 2012-08-07 02:59:23 UTC
From what you describe, Eve pvp has not changed at all, only your perception of it has, because, well frankly, you're not too bright.

There are tons of people having pvp fun in eve outside of fleet fights and outside being a worthless player who wants to keep playing like he has for 8 years,

Adapt or die.
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#44 - 2012-08-07 03:07:31 UTC
learn to adapt, scrub. EVE pvp was FAR too easy for pirates as it was. With this change, gamers who pvp might not think EVE is such a skilles POS as they currently do when it comes to pvp.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#45 - 2012-08-07 03:10:16 UTC
"skill-less pvp"

Maybe one day everyone will be amazing at pvp, then we'll have blobs of people who are amazing at pvp shooting structures.

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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#46 - 2012-08-07 03:11:02 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
learn to adapt, scrub. EVE pvp was FAR too easy for pirates as it was. With this change, gamers who pvp might not think EVE is such a skilles POS as they currently do when it comes to pvp.


Again, showing absolute ignorance with every post you make.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
Theron Urian
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-08-07 03:11:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Theron Urian
Something is catching! Every one put on your hazmat suits, 2 of these threads on the front page.

Sounds like you need a break from the game, go take some time off to play the game off real life and get some fruuuuuu's out of your system.

EvE will be here when you get back.... if you get back.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#48 - 2012-08-07 03:13:01 UTC
Virgil Travis wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
learn to adapt, scrub. EVE pvp was FAR too easy for pirates as it was. With this change, gamers who pvp might not think EVE is such a skilles POS as they currently do when it comes to pvp.

Again, showing absolute ignorance with every post you make.

Wouldn't want to make yourself look "skilles" on the EVEO General Discussion forums, would you?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Attica
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-08-07 03:18:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Attica
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Damn...[/sadface]

For those not familiar, the OP is the author of one of the few threads in F&I that is NOT complete and utter puling carebear garbage.

I was just about to plug it in another discussion, but...yeah. (You really should go see that thread, and bump it, though, just on principle. And if you don't see why that is so, then you can **** off back to WoW.)

We need more players like this, not less, but once again, ::CCP:: seems to be crawling up the arse of the "we can Do Mainstream(TM), too!!111oneoneone!" delusion -- because that worked so outstandingly well the last time!

What is left for people like us, people who get the sandbox, and thrive within it, in whatever manner? Less and less, that I can see.

I think I'll go with what Desti said, though, and do similarly:

Give it time --I do love mah losec solo exploration-corner of the sandbox, too-- to see what goes.

(And if the High Command in Reyki were to tell...certain parties...that they have 45 minutes to clean out their desks before Security escorts them from the building, then that would not go amiss, eitherRoll)

o7, Pilot.

Hopefully there'll be something you can come back to eventually, because I think/I hope/I pray that CCP will realise that this new centre they're trying to build, cannot possibly hold.

Why is this?

Because when you take away what makes the sandbox what it is, what gives the community the incentive to make it so, then you are left with --all that you are left with-- Is...

...

...

A not-that-great game whose age is really starting to show. And that's it.



I appreciate your kind words. I really do. But the only thing that CCP understands is money, and the only thing I can do is vote with my cash and take it elsewhere. Frankly, I think it would be an interesting exercise to study how much money CCP makes per person, over the lifetime of that person playing the game, and see just how much money is spent by the older (in Eve play time) players with multiple accounts and long term accounts, vs. younger players that play for a few months and drop it.

I think that the data would show that in the long run, older players end up spending much more money over the lifetime of their playing the game than the hordes of new players.



CCP HAS to keep their eye on the prize and at the end of the day the prize is money. They don't keep Eve running off of love, money is the fuel that the servers burn to keep operating. The game must evolve and its denziens must adapt. New players will come and some of them will become long term players.

Pirate tears are yummier than carebear tears for they come from the deeper well of anguish.
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#50 - 2012-08-07 03:20:28 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Virgil Travis wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
learn to adapt, scrub. EVE pvp was FAR too easy for pirates as it was. With this change, gamers who pvp might not think EVE is such a skilles POS as they currently do when it comes to pvp.

Again, showing absolute ignorance with every post you make.

Wouldn't want to make yourself look "skilles" on the EVEO General Discussion forums, would you?

I think turf burglar sees "skilles" as those exhibited by teenagers on a caffiene rush. There's a reason they call it twitch based gaming.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#51 - 2012-08-07 03:22:21 UTC
A whole lot of people are throwing this "game must evolve" stuff around, but none of them explain why it has to evolve. They just say "it has to evolve for CCP to make money," and that's it. No explanation given. I guess the armchair businessmen need to leverage their synergies to stay relevant and stuff.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Mors Sanctitatis
Death of Virtue
#52 - 2012-08-07 03:23:09 UTC
Attica wrote:



CCP HAS to keep their eye on the prize and at the end of the day the prize is money. They don't keep Eve running off of love, money is the fuel that the servers burn to keep operating. The game must evolve and its denziens must adapt. New players will come and some of them will become long term players.


Right. Hence, I'm cancelling my subs.

Intelligence shouldn't be free.   Mining, reloaded.   ADDICTED.

Attica
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-08-07 03:23:55 UTC
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:
Attica wrote:



CCP HAS to keep their eye on the prize and at the end of the day the prize is money. They don't keep Eve running off of love, money is the fuel that the servers burn to keep operating. The game must evolve and its denziens must adapt. New players will come and some of them will become long term players.


Right. Hence, I'm cancelling my subs.



and I just returned with both my accounts so....

Pirate tears are yummier than carebear tears for they come from the deeper well of anguish.
Xenuria
#54 - 2012-08-07 03:26:06 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Posting in Goons ruined Eve thread.

This is really all I ever see these days.
If goons really wanted to generate tears they should grief other griefers.
Troll other trolls.
Gank other gankers.


THAT would be seriously hilarious. I would love to see intrepid crossing bawing on the forums about how goons busted up their gatecamps.

CSM 12 Candidate
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#55 - 2012-08-07 03:27:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
Shukuzen Kiraa wrote:
[...]
You can quit but what are you going to play? There is no game around like EVE Online, and despite the things people dislike about it...it's still quite a fantastic game.



That's the elephant in the room that CCP --and a lot of us, it would seem-- refuse to acknowledge:

Your statement --at least theoretically-- is not entirely true, anymore:

The Repopulation
Darkfall
Infinity: Quest for Earth (Why, oh why, can this incredible thing not get out of vapour-wareCry)
SW: Gemu


CCP may soon not be the only game in town.

Remember what happened to the Detroit car-makers in the mid-to-late 1970s? They refused to see that they weren't the only game in town after the late 1960s, and that their products, when faced with actual competition, just weren't all that great.

I don't want to see CCP go the way of GM, American Motors Corp., and the old --the real-- Chrysler Corporation. (CCP is the old-school Mopar musclecar --******* HEMI/4-SPEED 'CUDA, biotch!-- of the MMO world, but those too, are but a fond, increasingly rose-tinted memory.)

The reasons are the same --they refused to evolve, and when they finally saw that they had to, it was in all the wrong ways, and far too late.

Might CCP be heading towards its version of the 1978-80 oil embargo?

We've already had the one in 1973-75 (IE, Incarna), and it may be that they really haven't learned from that debacle, just like Detroit.

I don't want CCP to end up some rusty, fuel-swilling, can't-corner/stop/pass-a-petrol-pump-to-save-its-arse clunker in the back row of that auto-dealership in the wrong part of town that barely runs that they can't give away, because people have seen just how inferior a product it really is, in the face of actual, meritorious competition.

E:

******* forum still tries to eat posts >100 words that take more than 5 minutes to write. For ****'s sake, case in point!

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Aggressive Nutmeg
#56 - 2012-08-07 03:36:29 UTC
I certainly hope EVE is not all about PVP. Because the PVP in Eve is crapola compared to many other games. Gangs camping gates, picking on newbies, popping miners or only engaging when the odds are ridiculously in their favour? Come on, it's weak and stupid.

Ok, I might have done it once or twice, but that was really only for testing purposes. I have no desire to do this any more. It's not a challenge and I'm not a psychopath that needs to harvest tears.

Having said that, I am concerned about the game; I haven't logged in either of my accounts to do anything beyond update skill queues for at least three months. And I suspect I'm going to wind down to one account early next year. Two years in and I think I'm bored. Hell, the PVP in "Little Empire" is more fun and rewarding!

Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana.
Attica
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2012-08-07 03:39:49 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Shukuzen Kiraa wrote:
[...]
You can quit but what are you going to play? There is no game around like EVE Online, and despite the things people dislike about it...it's still quite a fantastic game.



That's the elephant in the room that CCP --and a lot of us, it would seem-- refuse to acknowledge:

Your statement --at least theoretically-- is not entirely true, anymore:

The Repopulation
Darkfall
Infinity: Quest for Earth (Why, oh why, can this incredible thing not get out of vapour-wareCry)
SW: Gemu


CCP may soon not be the only game in town.

Remember what happened to the Detroit car-makers in the mid-to-late 1970s? They refused to see that they weren't the only game in town after the late 1960s, and that their products, when faced with actual competition, just weren't all that great.

I don't want to see CCP go the way of GM, American Motors Corp., and the old --the real-- Chrysler Corporation. (CCP is the old-school Mopar musclecar --******* HEMI/4-SPEED 'CUDA, biotch!-- of the MMO world, but those too, are but a fond, increasingly rose-tinted memory.)

The reasons are the same --they refused to evolve, and when they finally saw that they had to, it was in all the wrong ways, and far too late.

Might CCP be heading towards its version of the 1978-80 oil embargo?

We've already had the one in 1973-75 (IE, Incarna), and it may be that they really haven't learned from that debacle, just like Detroit.

I don't want CCP to end up some rusty, fuel-swilling, can't-corner/stop/pass-a-petrol-pump-to-save-its-arse clunker in the back row of that auto-dealership in the wrong part of town that barely runs that they can't give away, because people have seen just how inferior a product it really is, in the face of actual, meritorious competition.

E:

******* forum still tries to eat posts >100 words that take more than 5 minutes to write. For ****'s sake, case in point!



Aye am excited for Infinity also. Eve must evolve or die, simple matter really. **** off some older players to gain a bigger playerbase is not a bad thing. Players wil either adapt or unsub and more ppl will try the game and like it. This game in particular seems to have more players who think they matter more than they really do. We are ALL nothing but dollar signs to CCP and thats the way it should be. Keep your 'dollar signs' happy to an extent but not to the extent that is drives/keeps away more 'dollar signs'

Pirate tears are yummier than carebear tears for they come from the deeper well of anguish.
Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#58 - 2012-08-07 03:42:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Chokichi Ozuwara
snake pies wrote:
From what you describe, Eve pvp has not changed at all, only your perception of it has, because, well frankly, you're not too bright.

There are tons of people having pvp fun in eve outside of fleet fights and outside being a worthless player who wants to keep playing like he has for 8 years,

Adapt or die.

It's always funny to see someone from the CFC, with their endless ship replacement programs, lecturing other folks on PvP.

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#59 - 2012-08-07 03:46:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Attica wrote:
Players wil either adapt or unsub and more ppl will try the game and like it.

And what happens if these changes make the established player base look elsewhere, but at the same time fail to bring in enough new players? You make it sound like massive changes to EVE ("evolution") will definitely increase the game's subscription count, but that is by no means guaranteed.

Word-of-mouth has been consistently proven to be a stronger long-term marketing strategy for MMOs than direct advertisement.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#60 - 2012-08-07 03:51:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
snake pies wrote:
From what you describe, Eve pvp has not changed at all, only your perception of it has, because, well frankly, you're not too bright.

There are tons of people having pvp fun in eve outside of fleet fights and outside being a worthless player who wants to keep playing like he has for 8 years,

Adapt or die.

It's always funny to see someone from the CFC, with their endless ship replacement programs, lecturing other folks on PvP.

Honestly though, replacing a Scorpion is about an hour without reimbursement.

An hour could alternatively get between two and three drakes.

Or twelve Blackbirds

Or four to six Hounds.

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