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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#461 - 2012-08-09 06:09:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:


So, if I completely mine a rock, it is still available for you to mine?


Nice semantics Tippia, aqnd youd habr a point it is didnt refresh at DT

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#462 - 2012-08-09 06:20:09 UTC
Max G Force wrote:
Actually it's the term 'PvP' that's been watered down over the years to the point that the term is fairly meaningless.
Weell… I don't know if I'd call it “watered down”. Misapplied, maybe, to the point where people forget what it actually means, and then get confused when that meaning is brought to fore-front.

It's much the same with “PvE”, really, which some people try to use to describe things like industry (which is more like PvUI) and mining (which is, as mentioned a competition against other players… unless maybe you count Mercoxit, where the rock tries to fight back P).
Veryez
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
#463 - 2012-08-09 06:30:22 UTC
CCP has praised long time players, so anytime one leaves it should be a bit of a surprise. While we all understand Rl changes impacting our EvE careers. That's not the case here. I really can't find fault with your reasons, EvE has changed, sometimes for the better, sometimes not.

I wish you well and hope you find the game you're looking for.
Josef Djugashvilis
#464 - 2012-08-09 07:00:00 UTC
It is never good when any player leaves the game, whatever the reason.

However a player pays for Eve, it helps all of us by providing CCP with income, which can be used to improve the game for all of us.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#465 - 2012-08-09 07:11:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Tippia wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Why I am not: because I am not going to school you about how you are wrong nor to log on alts to add likes to this post nor I will try changing your opinion.
So you're about as elitist as me, in other words.


"So" implies some sort of trail of thought from A to B.
What are those A to B that make you conclude that?

Also, tbh being elitist is still not as bad as being the perfect nitpicker.
I have to concede that by pedantically replying to every other post WILL make you the top quantity forum poster (for whatever "victory" meaning it might have).


Quote:
CBA to dig GD just for a question
Then don't complain about it.

OK I dug the bad UI post.

Now do your usual and invent some rethoric to deflect and switch it over something else.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#466 - 2012-08-09 07:24:43 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
"So" implies some sort of trail of thought from A to B.
What are those A to B that make you conclude that?
Because of “I am not going to school you about how you are wrong nor to log on alts to add likes to this post nor I will try changing your opinion.”

Quote:
OK I dug the bad UI post.
…which I answered.
Mors Sanctitatis
Death of Virtue
#467 - 2012-08-09 07:30:06 UTC
You two are ridiculous. Really.

Intelligence shouldn't be free.   Mining, reloaded.   ADDICTED.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#468 - 2012-08-09 08:42:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Tippia wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
"So" implies some sort of trail of thought from A to B.
What are those A to B that make you conclude that?
Because of “I am not going to school you about how you are wrong nor to log on alts to add likes to this post nor I will try changing your opinion.”


So, not schooling people and not trying to change their opinion is = elitist? Roll

Quote:
Quote:
OK I dug the bad UI post.
…which I answered.


... with a non answer.

If I have to fiddle with the same UI you despise so much in order to check and swap stuff I never had to do before then I face your same "issues". Of course you shifted the reply on something else...

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Bunolagus
NIPTO
#469 - 2012-08-09 10:11:31 UTC
Quote:
EVE is actually the game bad mmo players eventually arrive at once they have have gotten **** on in other more skill demanding games. EVEs only real niche, if you can even call it that, is spaceships. If you like spaceships, then eve is a good mmo to play.


I just wanted to throw a quick thought in on this statement. I come to EVE because of the true player based economy. If I could find a fantasy game with EVE complexity in industry/economy I would be playing it instead.
Bunolagus
NIPTO
#470 - 2012-08-09 10:16:46 UTC
Quote:
I think its fair to say that anyone who enters low sec and beyond 'wants' to fight.

They may not want to fight in that ship at that time... but generally speaking, people know that low-sec and beyond is for pvp.

So technically, 'non-consentual' pvp doesnt really exist, its just a perception.


I go to lowsec because the distro missions pay more. The PVP I will be involved in there is non-consensual. It has taken me quite a while to become comfortable enough to go there.

There are many perspectives to this game. Not all of us play for the same reasons.

Doddy
Excidium.
#471 - 2012-08-09 10:18:56 UTC
The sexual tension in this thread is electrifying.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#472 - 2012-08-09 10:19:10 UTC
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:
You two are ridiculous. Really.


VV and Tippia should just go get married, don't you reckon?

They act like a married couple as it is.

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Zulol
N.F.H.P.
#473 - 2012-08-09 10:33:33 UTC
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:
I read a post earlier about some 3 year player binning his character because he was suicide ganked and then lost his Golem (LOL) to Concord because he "shot a Noctis" (i.e. he was an idiot and made a huge mistake).

I'm an 8 year+ player (I've lost count to be frank) and I've had at least two accounts subbed at a minimum for the entire 8+ years. This month will be the first time in 8 years that I have no characters in training.

Why? CCP has continued and will continue to make Eve less lethal. CCP continually makes Eve a safer place, easier to survive, with fewer opportunities to die horribly as a result of your mistakes. Essentially, they've dumbed down the game, and continue to do so.

When I was a new player, Eve was incredibly lethal. Jump into a .4, get your face blown off. Rinse, repeat. Your life span was usually dictated by how long you could hold your cloak at a gate. This part of the game was what kept me coming back for more. Extreme risk, extreme danger, extreme loss if you make a mistake.

Eve PVP is now garbage. It's not that the balance is that bad, or the mechanics are terrible. That part of the game is just fine. It's the inability to have non-concentual PVP. 99% of the time, if you get a fight it's because either A) the other side wanted to fight, or B) the other side made such a huge mistake that they ignored all signs of danger for 10+ minutes while you 'snuck up on them' in broad daylight, broadcasting your presence in local. Anyway, I digress.

With every change, CCP has removed risk, weighted the balance towards the defender and generally pampered those players who otherwise would have been murdered like sleeping baby seals.

Maybe one day the game will turn the corner and CCP will start making it more lethal again. I seriously doubt it, but it might happen. Until then, it's looking less and less likely that I'll find it worthwhile to log back in. It's sad really. CCP has finally managed to pummel my fanatical enthusiasm for the game into mush. I've been transformed from Eve evangelist to apathetic apologist. And the worst part is, all the other aspects of Eve have never been better: graphics, new ship models, missile trails, interface updates, market improvements, industry, invention, etc. etc. etc.

But that's not what Eve is about. Eve is about PVP. And until CCP fixes that, it's not worth subbing. Such a waste.


***EDIT***

Some addendum:

This post isn't about gate guns, or high sec or low sec or whatever. The players focusing on issues such as these are behaving like a person running at speed and looking straight down at their toes. The focus should be at the horizon, not at the base of your feet. Think bigger. Think more fundamentally about how the game is constructed and how it's (so poorly) organized for PVP and how fundamental changes in gameplay can radically improve the game over the long run. CCP keeps placating you with tiny improvements and distracting you with changes designed to generate controversy and discord.

So no, this isn't a "Goons ruined Eve" thread. It's not a whine thread. I'm just voting with my wallet. The only thing CCP understands.



So you are complaining about making suicide gankers actually have to put forth more than 5m isk to take down a tanked hulk worth 400m or so?

Bitter vet is bitter.
Ezra Tair
Doomheim
#474 - 2012-08-09 11:27:04 UTC
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:

1) It's the account I have currently. I've had other accounts for longer. I sold them and started from scratch, just for the challenge.

2) I've disliked the fact that PVP has been pushed toward consensual PVP for some time now. The fact that I'm quitting now has no bearing on how long it has been in an unacceptable state.

3) Most PVP in Eve is about having a better understanding of the game than someone else. At this point, you're just trolling.

4) Again with the needless point about suicide ganking. I'm not talking about suicide ganking. You're just creating a straw man argument to dilute the focus. Trolling.

5) See number 4. I actually want on grid command ships. Trolling.

6) Trolling. If you read anything you would see that I don't specifically care about gate gun changes.

7) No, none of the changes fixed any broken immersion for me.

So, in summation: No. You don't understand me, you don't understand this thread, and you're using the opportunity to further your agenda and viewpoints while completely ignoring the real focus of the discussion.


1-Fine
2-Lots of PvP is non-consensual still, what joo taken about jethro?
3-Your opinion I suppose. I always though it was about making better tactical decisions on field, and out flying your opponent. Not being able to force them into a fight because they did not use an alt to scout your gatecamp out.
4-Not a strawman when you say this right after a patch, and the release of CSM notes. Timing matters, your trolling for a response by making this statement at this time. A perfectly valid argument.
5-See 4
6-See 4
7-Game is not about you, is it? MMO part particularly.

Its a game, their is no agenda. You voting with your wallet, you have a way to voice your concerns on the unsub page. Your whining. I've been playing the game since 2004, and I think its gotten much better because of the changes. More people to shoot, more people to play with, fixes to stupid mechanics, increased world shaping ability. The things that made eve feel 'hostile' : random gate camps (on every high<->low<->null choke), being jacked by nano fags in null, and the general feeling of being alone...are not gone, or were deemed game breaking and changed, or are a natural cause of GROWTH.

I can only conclude your mad about not being able to gank noobs. As well as being mad more people are now more knowledgeable about the game to avoid the easy and overused ways to get caught in unfavorable PvP situations. I can conclude this from the tone, timing, and defense of the subject. In your post all I saw was :

"I can't force people into fights they can't win, the game is now too easy, and unfun"

And now you've gone and made a post saying how none of your characters are in training (but your still subbed to post), and qualified it by talking about how much money you spent, and how long you've been spending it.

Fine, vote with your wallet, but stop posting already and leave, unsubbed accounts can't post. Your OP does not even mention what exactly is too easy, so you leave alot imagination saying "with every change"
Randomize All
Doomheim
#475 - 2012-08-09 15:53:12 UTC
Pilna Vcelka wrote:
Randomize All wrote:
Where 1 hard player quits, 3 soft hearted NeX Store loving, Gold Ammo Wanting, Daddy's Credit Card Holdin', teenagers will soon replace him. And Hilmar's dream gets a step closer to reality.


Actually, carebears tend to be much older, mature and financially self-sufficient than "hard players". Simply because they dont have the time or desire to waste their lives "living hardcore pvp lives". They dont play to "overcome spectacular challenges" because they have enough of those in real world, they come to the virtual one to relax.

Its the 17y/o bullied fatties who make the best die-hard pvpers in any MMO, simply because they need to vent their frustration of failing at their real lives, all of their hate and desire to hurt other players comes simple from being inferior and hurt human beings.

So, Planetside 2 .. when will all of you bitter hater be gone? Can I help you get there faster?

Edit: BTW, pretty much the same scenario as WoW and GW2. According to "die hard veterans", WoW has been dying for like 6 years now and every new MMO will be the end of WoW. Apparently, reality is on the carebear side.


I said neither hardcore nor carebear. These are concepts you have imprinted on my words and made a case of. This is called a strawman argument. It adds nothing of value beyond exposing yourself as an irrelevance.
Herr Hammer Draken
#476 - 2012-08-10 00:33:46 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Where else are you going to find a game even close to this?

If the crimewatch changes come to pass, the EVE pvp experience won't be that far off from that of a pvp WoW server. That's a more or less objective statement based on many years of experience with each game, made by quantifying the average time/loss ratio for each game. In fact, even at this point, I can safely say that there are a few ways to cause more loss of time for people in WoW compared to EVE.


Then go play WoW WTF are you waiting for a golden invite!

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Aemonchichi
Limited Access
#477 - 2012-08-10 00:39:21 UTC
bye bye op, no tears for you
Mors Sanctitatis
Death of Virtue
#478 - 2012-08-10 02:45:07 UTC
Zulol wrote:



So you are complaining about making suicide gankers actually have to put forth more than 5m isk to take down a tanked hulk worth 400m or so?

Bitter vet is bitter.



If that's all you got out of my post, you can't read English.

Intelligence shouldn't be free.   Mining, reloaded.   ADDICTED.

Ruah Piskonit
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#479 - 2012-08-10 03:31:11 UTC
been waiting myself. . . sorta lost faith.

Good thing eve has basically no grind and there is always Capt ship 5 to do :)
Volar Kang
Kang Industrial
#480 - 2012-08-10 04:51:00 UTC
Personally I dont know what is worse, the miner who wont tank his ship or the "leet" pvper who can not adapt to game changes. I understand you want to sit at a gate and camp all day while watching Oprah or you want to mine all day for max yield and not have to tank your ship or you want to keep getting easy hulk kills to pad your killboards. Whatever it is, you can keep doing it, you just have to change your tactics a bit.

Here's a news flash for you, 8 years ago Eve had less than half the playerbase it has now. It was harder to find people to shoot and the game had a crap load of mind-numbingly boring aspects. All this "the game was more lethal back in my day" is silly at best. More players die in a day now than players died in a week 8 years ago. There was no hulkageddon and a person could mine all day afk in a covey and be perfectly safe. Suicide ganking was a very rare occurance and only happened when someone talked too much smack in local. If anything, the game has continued to get harder.