EVE General Discussion

I compare it to those two because they popped into my head while I typed. Aside from that, if one wishes to claim CCP is one of the "big boys," then it must be compared to the big boys of the MMO industry, being GW, WoW, et al. It isn't ignoring the other MMO's such as say, Vindictus or Star Trek Online (lol), as much as it is accurately categorizing it with, as you claim, other companies which stand on equal or greater footing with CCP and Eve Online in terms of population, capital gain, ROI, and these companies' bottom line.

i'm going to have to agree with you here Richard.. Anslo that was stupid.

Richard may be a bit over reacting to the high sec changes, but the simple fact is I don't know anyone who has been suicide ganked.. it isn't THAT much of an influence to the game.

the actual actions they take in the game aren't the problem. the high vs nullsec siege mentality on the forums IS the issue - and in that regard YOU'RE BOTH NOT HELPING.

he is rather dumb.

2010. But close — just one number off. A fairly significant number, admittedly, but only one. Anything else you want to invent rather than rely on easily available facts?

You have only been able to produce uninformed, easily disproven, nonsensical drivel and personal attacks so far, so yes, it would be a nice change if you could actually produce a single fact for once.

Well just from a basic play aspect and from a RP aspect the gates to high-sec would and should be gaurded fairly well.
You shouldn't be able to camp them very effectively.

After that though there is no concord so there really shouldn't be any gate guns either.
It would give people a free pass per say to a low-sec system so they could learn the rules after that there is no free pass,
New player friendly so to speak.

One thing people forget when you talking about the good old days was that the population was ALOT smaller and as such you could run into a gate camp but most of the time the gates were open, in fact most of the systems where empty.
As the population goes up the gate camps have increased and there is always someone in local.

So the good old days had an advantage that obviously nobody wants to admit too.

Your logic is quite broken because you fail to see that CCP is one of the big boys because it produced a niche game very well. It is similar to Ferrari in the car industry. By your logic Ferrari should give up their niche and try to cater to Toyota owners.

1) It's alive (some what) as a PvP game because that's all it's been made to be, it's never gone down a different path long enough before PvP extremists scream bloody murder. Your assumption is invalid as there is no way to compare data based on two different circumstance. But with this logic, this makes my point moot as well. So for this point, we have reached an impasse and I concede.

2) Please, point me to an article of scientific caliber stating that the majority of individual's don't play games to relax but to compete, get angry, and chest beat against other individuals.

3) I don't understand what you're trying to convey in your third point. Retype.

4) Stagnation data here. We hit a peak in 2010 and have been on a slow and steady decline in server population since then. Consider then, that population of eve and the content of past forum posts and discussion at the game's inception, versus today. Posts, discussion, the game itself was more civil and attractive versus now. Simply look back at past forum posts and current forum posts. Look at the issues brought up back then by Dev's versus now. It's all become whining and meta-gaming and hurr hurr pvp roolz pve loosers suck.

>comparing vehicles priced at $20,000-$230,000 and games with monthly fees of $15.

And you say my logic is broken.

January 6, 2011 saw a peak of 36K+ average players, after that it has been lowering. So yes it was 2011, I misread the click and I concede to that error, though I do not concede my error was me simply "making things up."

As for the 2012 peak, it did not surpass the original. A game's population should be going up over time, at all times. If in 2012 the peak average users were 40k+, and at current time at 45k+ or more, I'd be shutting up. However, looking at the data, well...

Idiot.