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CCP you lost allready much of faith and trust in you
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#61 - 2012-08-07 02:36:03 UTC
Denidil wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Urgg Boolean wrote:
The Mack actually blows for yield due to CPU constraints = limited MLU's. In fact, one MLU wipes out a significant qty of EHP due again to CPU constraints, not the loss of a low slot.

Heh. So it sounds like the balancing threw choices back at the miners...

And they took the yield.


bah.. easily overcome. cpu rigs, or implant. or just good fitting skills. my mining alt is training Exhumers V and Mining Upgrades V .. i won't let any fit she flies go below 35k roughly.

Ok, do your best Big smile

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Shukuzen Kiraa
F4G Wild Weasel
#62 - 2012-08-07 02:39:16 UTC
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:
So as like the title says, alot of Faith and trust allredy got lost for you CCP, by the miners big time.

CCP devs brougth up promises there wont no longer be a possibility a Miningship could get blown up by sneezing bywanderers, brougth the first changes to test out on Sisi and the Big Waaahh waaahhh Whining started coming from Gankers they couldn't longer gank a Mining ship with a LOLnoobship worth 2 - 3 Millions, and they needed to adapt and bring up more firepower and so on and fort.....

So what did you do CCP, again you listened to the most vocal loudest screaming whinning folks especially the biggest whiner Herr Wilkus and his friends and nerfed down more and more the changes to a level as they are now.

ANd there we are......the changes you promised where come, and after todays finalized patch on Sisi, the Changes ( Defensibility wise ) are drained down the Watercloset and on a level the changes are not longer changes in Favor for the allready hardly hitted Miners its technically a nerf.

I'm applauding to you CCP slapping again the weakest rigth in their faces and let the easy ganking continue.

Allready some friends of mine which are Miners told me they are in verge after this change comes up they're going to unsub, so CCP expect another huge loss about Subscriptions incoming.

Sincerly

Andre Jean Sarpantis ( Roleplayed nephew from the Serpentis founder )


I was wondering where the miners were that people kept saying complain about the stupidest things.... so thank you for letting me know who you are. You give miners a bad rep acting like this, might gank you a few times just because of it. lol.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#63 - 2012-08-07 02:40:24 UTC
Shukuzen Kiraa wrote:
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:
Allready some friends of mine which are Miners told me they are in verge after this change comes up they're going to unsub, so CCP expect another huge loss about Subscriptions incoming.

I was wondering where the miners were that people kept saying complain about the stupidest things.... so thank you for letting me know who you are. You give miners a bad rep acting like this, might gank you a few times just because of it. lol.

Giev buff,

Receive unsub

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RAP ACTION HERO
#64 - 2012-08-07 04:03:38 UTC
Sincerly

Andre Jean Sarpantis ( Roleplayed nephew from the Serpentis founder )

vitoc erryday
Vince Arron
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2012-08-07 04:09:01 UTC
Dude in the test server the skiff has a stable tank with 2 moms and a battle ship pounding on it. It has a better tank then a battle ship with a fraction of the sig radius just orbit and mine and you cant be ganked. Stop crying the gankers wont touch your wee wee anymore.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#66 - 2012-08-07 04:33:14 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
feel free to show the class that killmail of a hulk by a "lolnoobship"


anski you know he meant a catalyst or 3... which to a hulk 400 million is not balanced but keep up that tech reimbursement policy...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#67 - 2012-08-07 04:39:51 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
feel free to show the class that killmail of a hulk by a "lolnoobship"

anski you know he meant a catalyst or 3... which to a hulk 400 million is not balanced but keep up that tech reimbursement policy...

Ah gotta buff hulks more? Gotcha.

Better get on that.

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Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#68 - 2012-08-07 05:51:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Lilianna Star
To be honest, I kind of like how Hulks are going to be the "soft" ships with the highest yield.

More risk, more reward. Blink

The Skiff, while no slouch in terms of mining, is a tougher nut to crack so you can always feel free to use that if you anticipate company and the exchange of yield.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#69 - 2012-08-07 06:30:27 UTC
Lilianna Star wrote:
To be honest, I kind of like how Hulks are going to be the "soft" ships with the highest yield.

More risk, more reward. Blink

The Skiff, while no slouch in terms of mining, is a tougher nut to crack so you can always feel free to use that if you anticipate company and the exchange of yield.

Miners shouldn't have to make choices like the rest of us! They should just have a ship that's the best yield, best cargo, best ore hold and best EHP so they don't have to use their brains for anything.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#70 - 2012-08-07 06:32:54 UTC
…just per normal procedure: where are you getting the EHP numbers for the new ships?

I sure hope you're not reading them off the fitting screen…
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#71 - 2012-08-07 07:00:15 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
El Cid Campeador wrote:
Learn how to avoid suicide gankers, and all will be solved..... Dont need CCP to do it for you.


Yea, sure, but then again, why changing the barge/exhumer EHP at all, if it's the players business to avoid gankers?

Not that I agree with the OP, mind you, I still love the changes... but the balancing process to get where the SiSi patch now is, was kinda... odd.


They moved the ships focus from hull to mid slots.
The former requires to heavily gimp the ship performance (2 slots for MLUs that instead must be used to put a DC and MAPC or Bulkheads) while the latter allows to fit MLUs while *gosh* shield tanking a shield tanker.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2012-08-07 07:24:45 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
sucks that ccp decided not to protect the d-bags who prefer zero risk "gameplay", like mining, just because they cried.


no wonder you live on the forums, you must be shunned from any other social activity due to small brain size. Miners take zero risk? really? Lol

so many no life trash tossing their worthless 2 cents in every thread. thanks for making me feel better about my brain, kids.


it's kind of hard to whine about mining being "risky" when you're not playing the game at all when you do it

you want it to be risk-free, you see

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2012-08-07 07:25:20 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
feel free to show the class that killmail of a hulk by a "lolnoobship"


anski you know he meant a catalyst or 3... which to a hulk 400 million is not balanced but keep up that tech reimbursement policy...


what would be balanced then

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#74 - 2012-08-07 07:44:26 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
feel free to show the class that killmail of a hulk by a "lolnoobship"


anski you know he meant a catalyst or 3... which to a hulk 400 million is not balanced but keep up that tech reimbursement policy...

what would be balanced then

When it takes 40 T2 Catalysts to gank a hulk of course.

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Andre Jean Sarpantis
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2012-08-07 08:04:14 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
feel free to show the class that killmail of a hulk by a "lolnoobship"


anski you know he meant a catalyst or 3... which to a hulk 400 million is not balanced but keep up that tech reimbursement policy...

what would be balanced then

When it takes 40 T2 Catalysts to gank a hulk of course.



Well 40 is a bit over the edge, but it would make it more cost equal so that at least BC's were necessary again to gank a Hulk not those fecking lowcostlolcatalysts.

Sincerly

Andre Jean Sarpantis ( Roleplayed nephew from the Serpentis Founder )
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#76 - 2012-08-07 08:06:14 UTC
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
When it takes 40 T2 Catalysts to gank a hulk of course.

Well 40 is a bit over the edge, but it would make it more cost equal so that at least BC's were necessary again to gank a Hulk not those fecking lowcostlolcatalysts.

What, 35? Don't you think you're taking it a bit easy on...

Oh, ok. Sure let's go for 35 for now, later on we'll jump to 45 by "remembering" they not only destroy 400mil but also get salvage and loot.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#77 - 2012-08-07 08:09:17 UTC
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:
Well 40 is a bit over the edge, but it would make it more cost equal
No, it really shouldn't. That's the epitome of idiotic game design and remains the base cause of one of the most long-standing and horribly unbalanced design decisions in EVE ever.

Cost is not a balancing factor.
Andre Jean Sarpantis
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2012-08-07 08:24:29 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
When it takes 40 T2 Catalysts to gank a hulk of course.

Well 40 is a bit over the edge, but it would make it more cost equal so that at least BC's were necessary again to gank a Hulk not those fecking lowcostlolcatalysts.

What, 35? Don't you think you're taking it a bit easy on...

Oh, ok. Sure let's go for 35 for now, later on we'll jump to 45 by "remembering" they not only destroy 400mil but also get salvage and loot.



Geez, you didn't read my full post, i said.....would be necessary to field BC's at least again to bring down a Hulk.

I was talking about BC's, as the price the gankers would have to pay to kill a 300 Million T2 Ship.

Sincerly

Andre Jean Sarpantis ( Roleplayed nephew from the Serpentis Founder )
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#79 - 2012-08-07 08:26:40 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:
Well 40 is a bit over the edge, but it would make it more cost equal
No, it really shouldn't. That's the epitome of idiotic game design and remains the base cause of one of the most long-standing and horribly unbalanced design decisions in EVE ever.

Cost is not a balancing factor.

Wait untl you can hear what 256 Ibises with all Vs and T1 blasters with Antimatter can do for their price.

WAAAGH

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Lexmana
#80 - 2012-08-07 08:26:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
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