Wormholes

Our corp are looking to move into a C5 system with C4 static, and I was just hoping to get an idea of how many vacant ones are out there.

If you live in a system that has a C5 static, how often to you come across C5 systems that are uninhabited?

Do you find them regularly, or hardly ever?

If i had to guess based on my experiance, about 40% of all C5's are empty, 40% have a POS in them that's either dead or the owners are not active (10-40 man corporations) and then 20% are inhabited by active residents.

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You can pretty much just make a list of C5's>C4's that have your preffered planet/moon layout and effect and then simply look for them. there's a good chance majority of them are empty and it's easy enough to find a specific system.
For instance J123055, C5 magnetar with a C4 static is empty, you simply need to either scan C4's for a k162 to find it, or find a C5/C5 and chainroll the static untill you find it, or just straight up send 10 scounts into w-space.

Awesome!

That's great news!

That's the same sort of process we went through to find our current system, but it took months to find an empty C4 with C3 static, decent PI planets and system effects that suited our needs.

C5->C4 is one of the least popular wormhole types, so finding an empty one should not be too difficult.

I live in a system like that.

However, since K162's open only when someone warps to the static, the chance to encounter someone like me rolling the static of an inhabited system on the C5 side is somewhat larger than encountering a genuinely empty C5, since most people who roll their statics to C5's usually collapse them again upon encountering an empty C5 with a C4 static, and very few of them bother to open the C4 hole.

Exactly my point from earlier.

Also, if someone from a C6-C5 or C5-C5 system did bother to scan through and end up in our system, it'd be because they were looking to build a big chain of systems for pvp scouting... not an ideal situation for a person wanting to bring a POS through in an Orca.

I lived in a C2 with static C4 for a few months and I hated them. The anomalies only yield about twice as much as C3 anomalies, but unlike C3 sites C4 sleepers do a lot of RR which makes doing the sites time-consuming when you have few people online. Also the ranges are extreme and the wrecks get scattered over a vast area.

So while C4 is more lucrative on a site-per-site basis, C3s can be done more efficiently and yield better ISK/hour.

Tbh I do ratting differently than most other WH dwellers; I don't use Tengus but a turret-based setup that is a lot faster, and cheaper. But range is an issue there, C3 (or C5) sleepers are perfectly in range but the C4 ranges ruin my tactics. But corpmates who use Tengus also disliked C4 sites.

Another big disadvantage is that the static from C5 to C4 has 2 billion mass. Makes it a lot more time-consuming to roll your static when you want new sites. A 1b static can easily be closed in one go without timers by two Orcas, or a large static by a capital. For the C4 static you'll need four Orcas or wait out at least one 4-minute-timer. (Which can also be dangerous because people see you are closing and have time to scan the wh and ambush you.)

Ah, we're fine with this. Hole-closing-with-orcas-and-BSes veterans nowadays. :)

But keep in mind that you'll not have a Cataclysmic C4 very often once you don't live in that C4 anymore. We had tons of god-awful Black Hole C4s They are usually full of sites because everyone hates them.

Make no mistake, of course you'll make good money, everyone in w-space does. I just don't think it's the best option available

I guess you're in it for PvE, because like Godfrey said C4s are also terrible for PvP. Many are deserted, and the ones inhabited are almost exclusively held by pvp-averse carebears.