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EVE ONLINE in Japan: A Victim's story of the CCP/Nexon Tentacle Creature
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Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-08-06 13:26:15 UTC
What exactly is the problem(s) with Nexon?

Not trolling. I'm just trying to understand.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#22 - 2012-08-06 13:30:00 UTC
Terra Mikael
GriefStyle
#23 - 2012-08-06 14:08:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Terra Mikael
Cyprus Black wrote:
What exactly is the problem(s) with Nexon?

Not trolling. I'm just trying to understand.


Mostly just a problem of lack of choices. Basically I can only transact through Nexon points - no visas, mypay, etc. Not only that, but I cannot choose the language i transact in (before I could when dealing directly with CCP).

Edit: also, paying in yen, which is about 20% more expensive than what my previous rate was.

Steve Ronuken wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1134048#post1134048

might be of interest


Yes, I went that route as well, thanks for the tip.
Sarton Wells
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-08-06 14:16:50 UTC
Terra Mikael wrote:
This is now the only payment method for people playing with a Japanese IP who have ever played with a Japanese IP, regardless of nationality. Took a vacation to japan and need to renew your account? How about just over here for a 1 year student exchange, or business or job opportunity, or stationed with the military - too bad - you cannot pay by any other method for plex or account time except for Nexon Points.


I can confirm this is incorrect. I started playing with three of my accounts while I was in Japan and have not had to deal with nexon at any point with any of my accounts. If you're currently in Japan you probably have to use nexon's "services" but that's the unfortunate reality of localizations.
Terra Mikael
GriefStyle
#25 - 2012-08-06 15:29:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Terra Mikael
Sarton Wells wrote:
Terra Mikael wrote:
This is now the only payment method for people playing with a Japanese IP who have ever played with a Japanese IP, regardless of nationality. Took a vacation to japan and need to renew your account? How about just over here for a 1 year student exchange, or business or job opportunity, or stationed with the military - too bad - you cannot pay by any other method for plex or account time except for Nexon Points.


I can confirm this is incorrect. I started playing with three of my accounts while I was in Japan and have not had to deal with nexon at any point with any of my accounts. If you're currently in Japan you probably have to use nexon's "services" but that's the unfortunate reality of localizations.


Pre march 2012 anyone could do whatever they wanted. This is only since the ccp nexon partnership. So what you've done before this partnership doesnt really matter. So really you're just confirming the way things were, not as they currently are.

Though I'll edit the original post for those who were not paying attention when the local client mails went out, or for those who did not recieve them. Honestly I thought this partnership was common knowledge but I guess not...
Elvis Fett
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-08-06 15:35:56 UTC
Terra Mikael wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
Can't you buy plex from CCP? I know it is more expensive (but they had a deal going recently for 2/8 PLEX @15). Anyway, it sucks to be forced dealing with companies you don't like. And that avatar doesn't really get you into your EVE mode.


Plex also must be purchased with nexon points. Basically I would have to go through shattered crystal or use isk to plex.


Although it's a work around you should not have to do, every month you could make a NEW buddy account. When it comes time to resub, instead of subbing on your main sub with your new buddy alt. You will get a buddy PLEX on your main, and you have an alt account for 30 days.
Mechael
Tribal Liberation Distribution and Retail
#27 - 2012-08-06 15:43:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Mechael
Sounds like total and complete bullshit to me. **** you, too, whoever at CCP is responsible for this terrible partnership. And the microtransactions. And the altitus syndrome.

No offense to most of the CCP devs, but seriously, whoever made this call needs a reality check. This is how you lose customers. Lucky for CCP EVE is the best game out there, or this **** wouldn't fly at all.

Whether or not you win the game matters not.  It's if you bought it.
Terra Mikael
GriefStyle
#28 - 2012-08-06 15:44:53 UTC
That sounds pretty cheesy and somewhat borderline shenanigans...me gusta
Mechael
Tribal Liberation Distribution and Retail
#29 - 2012-08-06 15:49:45 UTC
It was from the heart. I love EVE, but the revenue model is bjorked. With DUST being what it's going to be, it's only getting worse. And Nexon? Really? Nexon? Makes me angry.

Whether or not you win the game matters not.  It's if you bought it.
Sarmea Moon
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-08-06 15:57:07 UTC
Cyprus Black wrote:
What exactly is the problem(s) with Nexon?

Not trolling. I'm just trying to understand.




Ahhh, Nexon. The douchebags responsible for ruining Atlantica. The microtrasaction [ladies of commercial virtue] who wont even sell you permanent pixels, they'll give you rent-30-day-pixels. Ahhhh, Nexon, they give F2P games that ugly cash shop reputation. To top it all off, they like to lie. When they were taking over Atlantica, they claimed they wouldn't do anything, and nothing was changing. HAHAHA, yeah right. They killed off the Turn Based battle system that had been the games defining feature and brought in a tile system, then got mad when no one wanted to use it enough.

God help you if you EVER have a customer service problem. ESPECIALLY a payment issue. Mine was solved after 45 days of petitioning, by contacting Paypal directly and lodging a complaint- Nexon finally deigned to respond to my petition then! Of course they screwed me out of my bonus coins, saying it was now out of date. Bug fixes in any of their games?

I recently stepped back into Mabinogi- and quit the same day when I realized game breaking bugs from 5 years ago were still active- no one but bots play that game anymore (shame, it started out a nice sandbox game)- of course, you have to pay 10 bucks a month to be a merchant/crafter, and only for 30 days, and only for a few items at a time, then another 15 a month for blah blah blah, housing, clothing is rented, etc).

The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse [lady of commercial virtue]. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.- James Nicoll
Wingmate
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-08-06 15:57:23 UTC
wait, people buy plex with money to use in-game? why not just use in-game currency and never pay to play at all?

i make spreadsheets for pretty cheap. contact me for more info.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=197433
Sarton Wells
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-08-06 16:14:55 UTC
Terra Mikael wrote:
Pre march 2012 anyone could do whatever they wanted. This is only since the ccp nexon partnership. So what you've done before this partnership doesnt really matter. So really you're just confirming the way things were, not as they currently are.


There's quite a difference between "ever" and "since the nexon partnership". I'm interested to hear the result from the petition like it was suggested a few posts above.
Gaktern Flagg
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-08-06 16:23:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Gaktern Flagg
If a VPN didn't work, you set it up wrong, or used one that used Japanese IP addresses. A quick google search got me this site: http://proxpn.com/. I can help you set it up if you like.

EDIT: Unless CCP made it so once you're set to Japanese you can't go back. In which case, you're ******. Can't help you if that's the case.
AyayaPanda
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2012-08-06 16:31:21 UTC
Chribba wrote:
I wish CEVE could be paid with like paypal or something so I could play again. Make it easier for us to play on all places :D


OMG you play CEVE as well?Shocked
DeathCam
Unicorn Love Club
#35 - 2012-08-06 16:33:24 UTC
If your account is now flagged as being Japanese and therefore can only accept payment via Nexon (dont know if that is the case or not) then a possible way round it could be to transfer your character to an account that was created using a VPN and non Japanese credit card.
Cadfael Maelgwyn
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-08-06 16:44:25 UTC
DeathCam wrote:
If your account is now flagged as being Japanese and therefore can only accept payment via Nexon (dont know if that is the case or not) then a possible way round it could be to transfer your character to an account that was created using a VPN and non Japanese credit card.

Would probably need Nexon points to pay for character transfer anyway.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#37 - 2012-08-06 17:06:48 UTC
Sarmea Moon wrote:
Cyprus Black wrote:
What exactly is the problem(s) with Nexon?

Not trolling. I'm just trying to understand.




Ahhh, Nexon. The douchebags responsible for ruining Atlantica. The microtrasaction [ladies of commercial virtue] who wont even sell you permanent pixels, they'll give you rent-30-day-pixels. Ahhhh, Nexon, they give F2P games that ugly cash shop reputation. To top it all off, they like to lie. When they were taking over Atlantica, they claimed they wouldn't do anything, and nothing was changing. HAHAHA, yeah right. They killed off the Turn Based battle system that had been the games defining feature and brought in a tile system, then got mad when no one wanted to use it enough.

God help you if you EVER have a customer service problem. ESPECIALLY a payment issue. Mine was solved after 45 days of petitioning, by contacting Paypal directly and lodging a complaint- Nexon finally deigned to respond to my petition then! Of course they screwed me out of my bonus coins, saying it was now out of date. Bug fixes in any of their games?

I recently stepped back into Mabinogi- and quit the same day when I realized game breaking bugs from 5 years ago were still active- no one but bots play that game anymore (shame, it started out a nice sandbox game)- of course, you have to pay 10 bucks a month to be a merchant/crafter, and only for 30 days, and only for a few items at a time, then another 15 a month for blah blah blah, housing, clothing is rented, etc).

The only thing Nexon is handling is billing and advertising, they have no influence on game design.

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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
#38 - 2012-08-06 17:20:24 UTC
Glad I got space rich before the change happened, else I'd also be screwed.

Nyan
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2012-08-06 17:48:58 UTC
Perhaps ccp just didn't understand the long emnity between the Japanese and Koreans?

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Sarmea Moon
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-08-06 20:10:44 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Sarmea Moon wrote:
Cyprus Black wrote:
What exactly is the problem(s) with Nexon?

Not trolling. I'm just trying to understand.




Ahhh, Nexon. The douchebags responsible for ruining Atlantica. The microtrasaction [ladies of commercial virtue] who wont even sell you permanent pixels, they'll give you rent-30-day-pixels. Ahhhh, Nexon, they give F2P games that ugly cash shop reputation. To top it all off, they like to lie. When they were taking over Atlantica, they claimed they wouldn't do anything, and nothing was changing. HAHAHA, yeah right. They killed off the Turn Based battle system that had been the games defining feature and brought in a tile system, then got mad when no one wanted to use it enough.

God help you if you EVER have a customer service problem. ESPECIALLY a payment issue. Mine was solved after 45 days of petitioning, by contacting Paypal directly and lodging a complaint- Nexon finally deigned to respond to my petition then! Of course they screwed me out of my bonus coins, saying it was now out of date. Bug fixes in any of their games?

I recently stepped back into Mabinogi- and quit the same day when I realized game breaking bugs from 5 years ago were still active- no one but bots play that game anymore (shame, it started out a nice sandbox game)- of course, you have to pay 10 bucks a month to be a merchant/crafter, and only for 30 days, and only for a few items at a time, then another 15 a month for blah blah blah, housing, clothing is rented, etc).

The only thing Nexon is handling is billing and advertising, they have no influence on game design.



Nope. Nexon bought NDoors, which is now a subsidiary of Nexon.

The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse [lady of commercial virtue]. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.- James Nicoll
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