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Ruh Roh, Old Republic sets a date, Dust MIA, is CCP coming to the dance this xmas?
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Oberine Noriepa
#21 - 2011-09-25 03:06:05 UTC
The Dust 514 beta will probably be held this fall or winter, with the game releasing on PSN in summer 2012.

Why you think this has anything to do with The Old Republic is beyond me.

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Trainwreck McGee
Doomheim
#22 - 2011-09-25 03:11:42 UTC
**** SWTOR

all hail GW2

CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool
Russell Casey
Doomheim
#23 - 2011-09-25 03:27:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Russell Casey
I have my doubts. For one thing, SWTOR is going to be following WoW's tank/dps/healer system (so have fun deciding between playing a class you like and a class that will get into groups) and for another I know a guy playing the Beta who says it's crap. Just to clarify, he's playing star trek online right now.
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#24 - 2011-09-25 03:56:55 UTC
Russell Casey wrote:
I have my doubts. For one thing, SWTOR is going to be following WoW's tank/dps/healer system (so have fun deciding between playing a class you like and a class that will get into groups) and for another I know a guy playing the Beta who says it's crap. Just to clarify, he's playing star trek online right now.



And we are playing EVE.

Your point?

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Freako X
Doom Inc
#25 - 2011-09-25 04:16:34 UTC
I think SW:TOR will be successful. But that title is vastly different that than EVE or DUST 514.

Eve and DUST won't need to worry. If DUST and say Gears of WAR 3 (or similar FPS) were released on the same Tuesday ... I'd worry. Heck, I need to get a blu-ray and DUST may have me buying a PS3 instead.

Eve and TOR are so different, they can't be compared.
Dradius Calvantia
Lip Shords
#26 - 2011-09-25 06:15:23 UTC
SW:TOR is ****..

I know several people in beta for it ATM, and lets just say what LA did to it makes the NGE seem like not a big deal.
Prince Kobol
#27 - 2011-09-25 06:37:44 UTC
SWTOR will not die in a few months lol.

If anything I suspect it will become one the biggest MMO's in the world

I have played the beta and yes I personally I thought it was crap, but then again I think WoW is crap but millions of people play it.

What you are doing is giving all the WoW crowd a chance to play WoW buts as Jedi's.

WIll it effect Eve, most likely not.

If you are playing Eve it is likely because you have tried MMO's which follow the WoW model or WoW itself and found them boring.

All those other MMO players who either like WoW or the MMO's which follow the WoW model will love SWTOR.

Comparing SWTOR to Dust is like comparing an old beat up crackhead STD riddle whore to Kelly Brook..

2 completely different things.
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#28 - 2011-09-25 07:26:35 UTC
mkint wrote:
a goon, yes a goon, is the only person in the thread on topic.


To be fair, he is a member of MRCHI...

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2011-09-25 08:09:27 UTC
TOR looks like a WoW clone to me, only with different art. I'd say they're aiming directly for Blizzard's gnads. If it does anything to Dust it'll be collateral damage.

If I get back into a WoW-like game it's probably be Guild Wars 2.
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2011-09-25 08:35:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Florestan Bronstein
Russell Casey wrote:
I have my doubts. For one thing, SWTOR is going to be following WoW's tank/dps/healer system (so have fun deciding between playing a class you like and a class that will get into groups) and for another I know a guy playing the Beta who says it's crap. Just to clarify, he's playing star trek online right now.

instead of relying on people thinking for themselves and taking responsibility on their own (like GW2)?

yeah... every pug I join shows me how well that will work out. That 12 y/o dps player who likes big swords and thinks IPWNU666 is a cool character name will totally stop standing in fire if you give him even more responsibility...

In the traditional model you can compensate for a fair amount of stupid by having good players in the key positions. In a "everyone takes care of himself and chooses between "roles" based on situation" model the group will just fail.
Shai 'Hulud
#31 - 2011-09-25 09:21:31 UTC
I'm not sure how you all seem to think TOR will have no impact on EVE. Do you think WoW has had no impact on EVE? Do you honestly think that EVE will not lose current or otherwise prospective subscriptions due to this massively hyped MMO release? The question is not "how similar are EVE and TOR?", but rather "how many EVE players will try TOR and decide to make it their MMO of choice?"

This is a MMO. For it to remain successfull people have to keep deciding to play it instead of another game. Other game releases, particularly hyped MMO releases which will tie up player's time much longer than single player game releases, have a HUGE impact on the world of EVE.

Blizzard AND CCP are shitting in their pants over the TOR release, that much I can garauntee you.

The most useful slaves are those that believe themselves to be free
beor oranes
Tranquility Tavern
Pandemic Horde
#32 - 2011-09-25 09:31:55 UTC
I am currently waiting on...nothing cos I only play Eve.
Barbelo Valentinian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2011-09-25 10:46:31 UTC
SWTOR will be big, second-biggest MMO after WoW probably - for at least a year or two.

It's not really like WoW so much as KOTOR with mates, which is just what the doctor ordered. Don't underestimate the power of a good story and good voice acting for immersion. BioWare have been dining off that for years. If they can do the same thing in an MMO format, the game will be a success.

It won't necessarily be a success with ex-player from other MMOs, but it might be a huge success for a bunch of newbie players who have never tried an MMO before but will try this because it's Star Wars. The great mass of gamers never touch MMOs, so it's still a huge untapped market out there. Story and VO might disguise the "grind" that's the complaint of most non-MMO players about MMOs, sufficiently so that they get into it.

The only problem is that even if you have several classes with unique stories, and the stories are good, and the voice acting is great, and sustained in quality right through to max level, if there's nothing beyond that to do with your super character in terms of endgame, it's not going to have staying power for more than a year or two even for the most fanatical Star Wars fan.

However that may not matter to BioWare, they might just be counting on large numbers trying it and sticking with it for a few months, and this happening for maybe two or three years - or maybe they do have some clever plans for endgame content up their sleeve, who knows? (I think if they could make endgame largely PvP, then they might crack that problem.)

But it's not a competitor to EVE at all, nor to DUST514.
Russell Casey
Doomheim
#34 - 2011-09-25 14:10:28 UTC
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
Russell Casey wrote:
I have my doubts. For one thing, SWTOR is going to be following WoW's tank/dps/healer system (so have fun deciding between playing a class you like and a class that will get into groups) and for another I know a guy playing the Beta who says it's crap. Just to clarify, he's playing star trek online right now.

instead of relying on people thinking for themselves and taking responsibility on their own (like GW2)?

yeah... every pug I join shows me how well that will work out. That 12 y/o dps player who likes big swords and thinks IPWNU666 is a cool character name will totally stop standing in fire if you give him even more responsibility...

In the traditional model you can compensate for a fair amount of stupid by having good players in the key positions. In a "everyone takes care of himself and chooses between "roles" based on situation" model the group will just fail.


Then you join a guild and find that kid is the only healer who's ever on at the same time you are and you can't say squat because you're DPS and dime a dozen. You either deal with it, leave, or make an alt. And what happens when your tank is pissed off with your healer, or has to log off for RL issues and it's a two-hour wait before you can find another one? Or when the raid leader decides the drop some dps for another healer? I didn't leave WoW because I hated filling a role, I left it because your role defines your place in society like a damned caste system.

That comes up in EVE sometimes too, but it still lets a person say **** You and walkaway and still have the same stuff as somebody in a null alliance if you're smart about getting it.
Basileus Volkan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2011-09-25 14:31:21 UTC
Lykouleon wrote:
mkint wrote:
a goon, yes a goon, is the only person in the thread on topic.


To be fair, he is a member of MRCHI...


We're so far over the edge, we turn badposts into goodposts.
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2011-09-25 15:44:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Aqriue
Have pre-order, will travel....for a time. Just got it last week infact.

Need a distraction from EVE, cause the click and point interface + WTZ + manual request jump zone line + WTZ + manual request jump zone line + align + instant lock + shoot + pod = tediously boring aspects I long stopped caring about when EQ1 came out back in 1999. Just need to get away from it, the main account will stay active but probably going to shut down the alt account, cash out the isk for PLEX, and join a friend for something different.

Why Star Wars you wonder? Cause its different. WoW was all of 2 hours before I uninstalled. Friend and I have done the fantasy bit to death in EQ, EQ2, and Vanguard then the comic hero in CoH/V. . We loved tabula rasa, because sci-fi genre was something new and sadly it lacked direction so it died a quick death within 8 months. WoT was a stupid mistake, get to tier 5 and next thing you know you end up facing the equivilent of super caps all day and you are badly outclassed. EVE is ok to keep the sci-fi addiction going, but its starting to wear off and we are getting distracted...like checking out the blonde as you walk past her on the street then looking at the brunette up ahead. Old republic looks very much like Mass Effect with different graphics, being a Bioware product they implemented that good vs bad choices type system you can see in some of the game play trailers and it kind of looks like a console game + MMO.

and personally, I despise the idea of Jedi. Something about silent rage emo boys, guys wielding beam sabers, dancing around like leaping tigers in the trees, brother kissing his sister...is so Japanese and asian influenced that I want to slug George Lucas in the head with a large heavy fire extinguisher.
Mastertz
Itagaki Heavy Industries
#37 - 2011-09-25 15:58:15 UTC
Here come the trolls....

Alert the internets SWTOR is releasing, the sky is falling. All of these posts are the same yawnfests making the same claims, SWTOR is a themepark MMO, Eve is a sandbox.

Do you know what a Venn diagram is?
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