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500m to declare war on Goonswarm? (AKA: why are small corps penalised by the wardec system?)

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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#101 - 2012-08-15 21:00:07 UTC
Cadfael Maelgwyn wrote:
Lady Whipcrack wrote:
Cadfael Maelgwyn wrote:
Why do you need to wardec Goons anyway? They live in nullsec, where you can shoot them no matter what, and not even lose sec status.


that's right, they never set foot in empire or use trade hubs.... Roll


Because there totally aren't these things called alts, right?


fortunately not all of the players in large alliances listen to what they are told. people will still haul valuable goods to Jita in their mains. I guess that would be what the gamble is.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#102 - 2012-08-15 21:03:15 UTC
Even at the height of Privateers' power, people went to Jita on their mains. Convoys are too inconvenient.

MinerBumping.com
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#103 - 2012-08-15 21:53:06 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Diesel47 wrote:
This is what happens when you elect big alliance holding idiots into the CSM.

LOL, you get what you voted for!


Yeah, because the CSM code the game.
Oh wait.

honda accord and late night alliance; masters of the supercap blob lol


Sshhhh, no one is supposed to know about our super cap blobs!!!!! Cool

Issler
Cadfael Maelgwyn
Doomheim
#104 - 2012-08-15 22:04:37 UTC
James 315 wrote:
Even at the height of Privateers' power, people went to Jita on their mains. Convoys are too inconvenient.

I miss them.

They wardecced my corp once, not sure why. Had some nice fights.
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#105 - 2012-08-15 22:14:27 UTC
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
Ashrik Tyr wrote:
I haven't talked to our personal CCP liason yet, but if I had to guess then I'd say that CCP gets that the obvious point of empire wardecs against large null groups are for the sole purpose of getting easy ganks on solo people carrying loot into/out of hisec.

So maybe they only want to encourage hisec "wars" that are actually wars instead of things used to pad killstats and get easy loot.


Your ignorance is absolutely legendary.

What war have you been involved in where shutting down the supply line was not an obvious goal? Lol if you seriously were.

Easy ganks a problem for you? You're in the wrong fuckin corp if they are.

If its easy to take something significant from the biggest alliance in the game the game must be broken huh?



I was thinking the same thing. This coming from someone whose in a corp that promotes suicide ganking non-combat ships?! lmao! he should be kicked for that post alone.
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#106 - 2012-08-15 22:14:58 UTC
I'm guessing everyones complete failure to answer the OP's question either means they disagree with him (those are the posts that whine), or don't actually know why the system was changed (i guess thats everyone else Lol)

Null-sec alliances don't care about wardecs because it doesn't matter to them. The whole wardec system is based around shooting people in empire. Now the systems been changed, there's even less to worry about! Seems pretty strange to me that the larger group of players (the ones with the massive number and financial advantage) can wardec small corps with little to no cost, and be pretty confident of victory. Whereas small corps looking to start the war have to face a big payment, as well as little chance of victory. Doesn't seem very logical to me, and no-one has yet to really explain why this change is better. Surely the massive alliances can afford 500m, as people have pointed out its a pretty tiny sum, especially considering their size. 500m to a small corp is alot more to them, and even though they can probably afford it, is it right for them to have to pay the greater cost?

I think until the system is changed, probably best to just send nasty messages to them until they wardec you themselves. Cool

Hell, you never know, someone might actually respond with an answer to your question. Sometimes happens!

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Frying Doom
#107 - 2012-08-15 22:17:18 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
I'm guessing everyones complete failure to answer the OP's question either means they disagree with him (those are the posts that whine), or don't actually know why the system was changed (i guess thats everyone else Lol)

Null-sec alliances don't care about wardecs because it doesn't matter to them. The whole wardec system is based around shooting people in empire. Now the systems been changed, there's even less to worry about! Seems pretty strange to me that the larger group of players (the ones with the massive number and financial advantage) can wardec small corps with little to no cost, and be pretty confident of victory. Whereas small corps looking to start the war have to face a big payment, as well as little chance of victory. Doesn't seem very logical to me, and no-one has yet to really explain why this change is better. Surely the massive alliances can afford 500m, as people have pointed out its a pretty tiny sum, especially considering their size. 500m to a small corp is alot more to them, and even though they can probably afford it, is it right for them to have to pay the greater cost?

I think until the system is changed, probably best to just send nasty messages to them until they wardec you themselves. Cool

Hell, you never know, someone might actually respond with an answer to your question. Sometimes happens!

Yeah another great decision by CCP to fix war dec's by making them even more Useless. The old system worked alot better than the new and improved one.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#108 - 2012-08-15 22:18:34 UTC
CCP asked the CSM which is full of 0.0 dwellers, did you expect anything different?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2012-08-15 22:18:54 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
alot

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_D_Z-D2tzi14/S8TRIo4br3I/AAAAAAAACv4/Zh7_GcMlRKo/s400/ALOT.png

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Frying Doom
#110 - 2012-08-15 22:40:31 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
alot

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_D_Z-D2tzi14/S8TRIo4br3I/AAAAAAAACv4/Zh7_GcMlRKo/s400/ALOT.png

Yes Pipa Porto showed me the alot the other day.

The alot is cool but although I have seen alot of crap, no one has yet shown me a picture of this mythical beast.
also

Wikipedia wrote:
English
Adverb
alot

Nonstandard spelling of a lot.

Noun
alot
Nonstandard spelling of a lot.


So it is used often enough to actually classed as a non-standard spelling of "a lot" not a misspelling.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#111 - 2012-08-15 23:03:38 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
I'm guessing everyones complete failure to answer the OP's question

Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
People make wardecs so that they can gain legitimate war targets to shoot in highsec.
The tiny corp gets thousands of targets for its wardec, the large alliance gets only a small handful.
Hence, a scaling fee reflecting the relative value of what the 'aggressing' party gains.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#112 - 2012-08-16 00:11:19 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
CCP asked the CSM which is full of 0.0 dwellers, did you expect anything different?

I imagine the 0.0 dwellers don't give a flying **** what happens to wardecs, so they probably didn't offer any opinion. And even if they did, CCP probably didn't really take their advice with anything more than a grain of salt, because wardecs really don't affect 0.0 alliances all that much (they do have an effect, but it's usually restricted to the occasional idiot in his jump freighter getting caught on the Perimeter gate in Jita or something like that).

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Cadfael Maelgwyn
Doomheim
#113 - 2012-08-16 00:54:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Cadfael Maelgwyn
Frying Doom wrote:
Wikipedia wrote:
English
Adverb
alot

Nonstandard spelling of a lot.

Noun
alot
Nonstandard spelling of a lot.


So it is used often enough to actually classed as a non-standard spelling of "a lot" not a misspelling.

Firstly, that came from wikipedia. You know how reliable that is. Roll

Secondly, even if A LOT of people do something wrong, that doesn't make it less wrong, it just means those people are stupid/ill-informed/uneducated.
Coms Athonille
Flying Grim Space Rats
#114 - 2012-08-16 17:33:13 UTC
Bring Bob back somehow out of mothballs.... Evil
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#115 - 2012-08-16 17:41:28 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Xen Solarus wrote:
I'm guessing everyones complete failure to answer the OP's question

Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
People make wardecs so that they can gain legitimate war targets to shoot in highsec.
The tiny corp gets thousands of targets for its wardec, the large alliance gets only a small handful.
Hence, a scaling fee reflecting the relative value of what the 'aggressing' party gains.

But the tiny corp doesn't get thousands of targets for its war dec. How many times must I point out this flaw to you?
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#116 - 2012-08-16 17:54:53 UTC
Another thing is simply ban the use of freighters, jump freighters and Orca from high sec if your in a NPC corporation and have a war dec continue its duration on players who bail from a corp to dodge the dec.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#117 - 2012-08-16 18:02:34 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Another thing is simply ban the use of freighters, jump freighters and Orca from high sec if your in a NPC corporation and have a war dec continue its duration on players who bail from a corp to dodge the dec.

Good luck with that.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Xenuria
#118 - 2012-08-16 18:12:10 UTC
Lady Whipcrack wrote:
Please tell me how this new wardec system is supposed to be 'better'?

Apart from the obvious minor benefit that war is slightly easier to administer, it seems setup to protect large alliances. Not that alliances even have to be that large before war costs become painful for smaller corporations.

So please explain to me how this is an improvement on the old system. For everyone apart from massive alliances, that is.

In short, it's vastly more expensive to declare war for smaller entities. Why? It's not like 0.0 alliances don't enjoy targets in empire as a break from 0.0 blobbage, so this change seems to benefit no-one (apart from Solar Citizens)

edit: he's a simple suggestion: the cost of wardecs should be based on the size of the corporation/alliance making the declaration, not the alliance you are wardeccing... if you want 8000 people to have a license to gank in empire, pay more for it... surely that makes vastly more sense than the current system and allows cost to scale with affordablity more pragmatically

Wardecs should not be vastly cheaper for the larger entity to initiate. It cannot be logical for an 8000 man alliance to pay vastly less for the same war as a 50 man corp. It makes absolutely no sense.


Hi mittens.

CSM 12 Candidate
Cadfael Maelgwyn
Doomheim
#119 - 2012-08-16 18:14:24 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Lady Whipcrack wrote:
Please tell me how this new wardec system is supposed to be 'better'?

Apart from the obvious minor benefit that war is slightly easier to administer, it seems setup to protect large alliances. Not that alliances even have to be that large before war costs become painful for smaller corporations.

So please explain to me how this is an improvement on the old system. For everyone apart from massive alliances, that is.

In short, it's vastly more expensive to declare war for smaller entities. Why? It's not like 0.0 alliances don't enjoy targets in empire as a break from 0.0 blobbage, so this change seems to benefit no-one (apart from Solar Citizens)

edit: he's a simple suggestion: the cost of wardecs should be based on the size of the corporation/alliance making the declaration, not the alliance you are wardeccing... if you want 8000 people to have a license to gank in empire, pay more for it... surely that makes vastly more sense than the current system and allows cost to scale with affordablity more pragmatically

Wardecs should not be vastly cheaper for the larger entity to initiate. It cannot be logical for an 8000 man alliance to pay vastly less for the same war as a 50 man corp. It makes absolutely no sense.


Hi mittens.

Go away.
Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2012-08-16 18:54:26 UTC
Safety in numbers - whodathunkit?