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500m to declare war on Goonswarm? (AKA: why are small corps penalised by the wardec system?)

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Lady Whipcrack
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-08-05 20:34:29 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
What makes you think a 5-man scrub corporation should have the right to cheap wardecs against massive entities? 500m isn't exactly a lot of money these days anyway so if you are struggling to come up with a fee like that then I would suggest you have no business involving yourself in wardecs.


I could afford the first 12 weeks against 3 alliances before the corp wallet ran dry, but that's hardly the point

the point is, it's vastly more expensive than the old system - why was this change necessary? who benefits?

it seems to benefit no-one, since most 0.0 alliances appreciate some light-hearted empire fun (excluding renter alliances)
Demolishar
United Aggression
#22 - 2012-08-05 20:38:07 UTC
Lady Whipcrack wrote:

the point is, it's vastly more expensive than the old system - why was this change necessary? who benefits?



Everyone benefits because it's a very nice isk sink. You call yourself a monocleer with THAT lack of understanding?
Robus Muvila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-08-05 20:39:07 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
You used to be able to dog pile on goons but they saw that fixed quickly.


I love the image of The Mittani Cool sitting in his underground bunker as a wall of screens show multiple graphs and numbers scrolling past. He grins as he watches his empire tick along.

Shocked"Sir we were just wardecced"

What?"And another sir"

Ugh"Another over here!"

Cool"My God.."

The Mittani picks up the reciever on the large red telephone to his left.

Cool"GET ME THE PRESIDENT (of ccp)"

Fade to black....

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Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-08-05 21:15:51 UTC
Declaring war on us would be pointless anyhow. You'll only ever end up fighting the half dozen of us or so that actually give a damn about empire. The vast majority of goons avoid empire like the plague.

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Cadfael Maelgwyn
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-08-05 21:25:00 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Declaring war on us would be pointless anyhow. You'll only ever end up fighting the half dozen of us or so that actually give a damn about empire. The vast majority of goons avoid empire like the plague.


But a wardec would surely cause you all to tremble in fear.
Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-08-05 21:28:20 UTC
Lady Whipcrack wrote:
Cadfael Maelgwyn wrote:
Why do you need to wardec Goons anyway? They live in nullsec, where you can shoot them no matter what, and not even lose sec status.


that's right, they never set foot in empire or use trade hubs.... Roll


So you're too lazy to go find them in null sec and too cheap to go after free kills in highsec... sucks to be you bro.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-08-05 21:46:41 UTC
Lady Whipcrack wrote:
Cadfael Maelgwyn wrote:
Lady Whipcrack wrote:
Cadfael Maelgwyn wrote:
Why do you need to wardec Goons anyway? They live in nullsec, where you can shoot them no matter what, and not even lose sec status.


that's right, they never set foot in empire or use trade hubs.... Roll


Because there totally aren't these things called alts, right?


yes there are, but that doesn't stop people using their mains - if you don't believe me go around the major trade hubs right now for yourself

anyway what is your point? that I should go reinforce their stations? I don't want to, I want to intercept them in empire... under the old wardec system that might have cost anything from 50m to a few hundred million... the new system is ridiculous


yeah uh nobody goes to trade hubs on their mains unless they're dumb

keep the wardecs coming o7o7o7o7

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Josef Djugashvilis
#28 - 2012-08-05 22:23:01 UTC
Lady Whipcrack wrote:
Please tell me how this new wardec system is supposed to be 'better'?

Apart from the obvious minor benefit that war is slightly easier to administer, it seems setup to protect large alliances. Not that alliances even have to be that large before war costs become painful for smaller corporations.

So please explain to me how this is an improvement on the old system. For everyone apart from massive alliances, that is.

In short, it's vastly more expensive to declare war. Why? It's not like 0.0 alliances don't enjoy targets in empire as a break from 0.0 blobbage, so this change seems to benefit no-one (apart from Solar Citizens)


I agree with you, but this is all old news.

Many folk pointed out how silly it was, ooh, last April time if I recall correctly.

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Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
#29 - 2012-08-05 22:31:24 UTC
Kinda stupid imo.
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#30 - 2012-08-05 23:05:47 UTC
If 500m is a hardship to you, you need to be doing other things than declaring war on goons. Please see your nearest level 4 agent.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#31 - 2012-08-05 23:30:39 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:
If 500m is a hardship to you, you need to be doing other things than declaring war on goons. Please see your nearest level 4 agent.

Maybe they're miners.... are the l4 mining missions commonly done?

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ashley Eoner
#32 - 2012-08-06 00:32:32 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
Lady Whipcrack wrote:

even the monocled elite take exception to 1.5bn a week of war bills for deccing three alliances... it's insane

I



Any true monocleer would easily pay that cost. I make more than that DAILY.

PIF such a poor boy. I make that in a minute!
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#33 - 2012-08-06 00:44:06 UTC
500m is pretty cheap, Goons are terribad at eve, ask them they announce it proudly. Seems pretty cheap, though given they live in null, where wardecs are pointless. It would be easier to spend 500m on some ships and just go shoot them.

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-08-06 00:51:43 UTC
Lady Whipcrack wrote:
Please tell me how this new wardec system is supposed to be 'better'?

Apart from the obvious minor benefit that war is slightly easier to administer, it seems setup to protect large alliances. Not that alliances even have to be that large before war costs become painful for smaller corporations.

So please explain to me how this is an improvement on the old system. For everyone apart from massive alliances, that is.

In short, it's vastly more expensive to declare war. Why? It's not like 0.0 alliances don't enjoy targets in empire as a break from 0.0 blobbage, so this change seems to benefit no-one (apart from Solar Citizens)



if you can't afford 500m easily, then wardeccing goonswarm would be rather pointless.

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Demolishar
United Aggression
#35 - 2012-08-06 01:13:02 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Demolishar wrote:
Lady Whipcrack wrote:

even the monocled elite take exception to 1.5bn a week of war bills for deccing three alliances... it's insane

I



Any true monocleer would easily pay that cost. I make more than that DAILY.

PIF such a poor boy. I make that in a minute!


How can I believe you when you don't have a monocle? Roll
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#36 - 2012-08-06 01:15:17 UTC
Lady Whipcrack wrote:
Please tell me how this new wardec system is supposed to be 'better'?

Apart from the obvious minor benefit that war is slightly easier to administer, it seems setup to protect large alliances. Not that alliances even have to be that large before war costs become painful for smaller corporations.

So please explain to me how this is an improvement on the old system. For everyone apart from massive alliances, that is.

In short, it's vastly more expensive to declare war. Why? It's not like 0.0 alliances don't enjoy targets in empire as a break from 0.0 blobbage, so this change seems to benefit no-one (apart from Solar Citizens)


Lets see ~10,000 / 500 = 20 wts per million.

Seems like goons are less than a million a dozen Big smile

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MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-08-06 01:26:57 UTC
you don't need to declare war in null sec. I'm confused

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#38 - 2012-08-06 01:40:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
sYnc Vir wrote:
500m is pretty cheap, Goons are terribad at eve, ask them they announce it proudly. Seems pretty cheap, though given they live in null, where wardecs are pointless. It would be easier to spend 500m on some ships and just go shoot them.

That wouldn't even get you a Loki, I think.

A decent group of Drakes, it would.

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Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#39 - 2012-08-06 04:24:05 UTC
I love this thread. Everyone wants to troll, but nobody has a real answer to the op's question. It's herp derp heaven.

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Vince Arron
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2012-08-06 04:31:14 UTC
Lady Whipcrack wrote:
Shukuzen Kiraa wrote:
Lady Whipcrack wrote:
Cadfael Maelgwyn wrote:
Why do you need to wardec Goons anyway? They live in nullsec, where you can shoot them no matter what, and not even lose sec status.


that's right, they never set foot in empire or use trade hubs.... Roll


So bring the fight to them instead of being lazy and waiting for them to wander into high sec.


would you like my 5 man corp to go capture their stations?

war declarations exist to provide fighting in empire, that is the point of them - they are nothing to do with 0.0 territorial war

the point I am making is that the new wardec system seems to make declaring war on alliances vastly more expensive than it was previously - why is that necessary? the only beneficiaries are large alliances, who won't give a toss about the cost when declaring war themselves, but are protected from wardecs from smaller entities - that seems bizarre, why was this change necessary? it seems a strange change for the worse


There is this thing called roaming. and gathering Intel of enemy movements. you are not going to take all of goon space with 5 people but you can go in with a scout and 4 assault Frigs and kill ratters. Or you can keep bawling on the forums, whatever.