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500m to declare war on Goonswarm? (AKA: why are small corps penalised by the wardec system?)

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#241 - 2012-09-09 12:00:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Lord Zim wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Yes, because major Alliances don't use 100's of NPC alts to post here...right? Right? Shocked

Why would we? Posting behind an NPC corp alt is an act of shame

Because some alliances have a weird "don't post on eve-o forums" rule. vOv


Some even fine their members for posting in local, some others ask you to have all your assets in their main station and then tell you corp leader to kick you or it's literally the corp who is kicked and believe me they know how to make sort you loose at least a good half of your assets while leaving.

So since Eve has the most mature community (lol), with such a quality posting in GD and so little paranoia/grieffing I really can't see the reason why someone would not post with his main.

Indeed, EvE community at their top maturity level Lol

Fake edit: ho and if you disagree with me you can always bring you samurai code and katana or your 45 we'll set this like real men at the sunset, mkay?

brb
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#242 - 2012-09-09 12:03:00 UTC
Alliances or corps with such policies needs to be purged from EVE.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc
#243 - 2012-09-09 13:05:54 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Effect of wardecs on GSF:
1) one or two complete idiots dying.
2) evemail spam

Fucks given: 0

Goonwswarm federation vs The Honda Accord.

Goonswarm killed
12,986,988,614 isk
98 ships

The Honda Accord (A bunch of industrialists)
47,632,963,261 isk
844 ships

So those one or two idiots died an awful lot in that war.
A lot of spam was given

As to the last well I think the total was a lot more than 0.

So it would seem the effects of war decs are more than nothing to Goonswarm.


Oh boy they killed 844 ships of morons who shouldn't have been in highsec in the first place (because it's literally garbage).
Frying Doom
#244 - 2012-09-09 13:22:18 UTC
Haquer wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Effect of wardecs on GSF:
1) one or two complete idiots dying.
2) evemail spam

Fucks given: 0

Goonwswarm federation vs The Honda Accord.

Goonswarm killed
12,986,988,614 isk
98 ships

The Honda Accord (A bunch of industrialists)
47,632,963,261 isk
844 ships

So those one or two idiots died an awful lot in that war.
A lot of spam was given

As to the last well I think the total was a lot more than 0.

So it would seem the effects of war decs are more than nothing to Goonswarm.


Oh boy they killed 844 ships of morons who shouldn't have been in highsec in the first place (because it's literally garbage).

Hi sec has its uses, it is a good place for buying and selling stuff to peasants for instance. Oh and apparently a good play for Goonswarm members to hang out as i always see some when I am traveling though.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#245 - 2012-09-09 13:23:40 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
So you're Jade today? What's next, "it's a blight on your war record" and "you're so embarassed you whined to CCP to get the mechanics changed"?

No just pointing out that wars do effect Goonswarm members.

Like I have said on many threads just because you repeat things a lot does not make them true.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Ashrik Tyr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#246 - 2012-09-09 13:31:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Ashrik Tyr
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Effect of wardecs on GSF:
1) one or two complete idiots dying.
2) evemail spam

Fucks given: 0

Goonwswarm federation vs The Honda Accord.

Goonswarm killed
12,986,988,614 isk
98 ships

The Honda Accord (A bunch of industrialists)
47,632,963,261 isk
844 ships

So those one or two idiots died an awful lot in that war.
A lot of spam was given

As to the last well I think the total was a lot more than 0.

So it would seem the effects of war decs are more than nothing to Goonswarm.

ITT, a bunch of people pretend that they don't simply want easy ganks on lone dumb members of large nullsec alliances.

Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
So you're Jade today? What's next, "it's a blight on your war record" and "you're so embarassed you whined to CCP to get the mechanics changed"?

No just pointing out that wars do effect Goonswarm members.

Like I have said on many threads just because you repeat things a lot does not make them true.
Any number above zero would have been just as salient. So I'm not sure how meaningful your point is. Someone whose ship has been blown up has been affected? Good argument there, buddy, I never saw it that way. What does that mean to our alliance again?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#247 - 2012-09-09 13:38:45 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
So you're Jade today? What's next, "it's a blight on your war record" and "you're so embarassed you whined to CCP to get the mechanics changed"?

No just pointing out that wars do effect Goonswarm members.

They have an effect on dumb fucks, yes. For anyone who isn't a mouthbreathing ******, however, the effects are ... well, evemail spam. Pretending that the effects go beyond that is just to emulate Jade.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc
#248 - 2012-09-09 13:45:09 UTC
No guys, clearly 99% of us don't do logistics with neutral alts, especially when hauling alliance moongoo through highsec.
Frying Doom
#249 - 2012-09-09 14:32:24 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
So you're Jade today? What's next, "it's a blight on your war record" and "you're so embarassed you whined to CCP to get the mechanics changed"?

No just pointing out that wars do effect Goonswarm members.

They have an effect on dumb fucks, yes. For anyone who isn't a mouthbreathing ******, however, the effects are ... well, evemail spam. Pretending that the effects go beyond that is just to emulate Jade.

Well you must have a hell of a lot of mouth breathers in Goonswarm. You have lost thousands of ships to war decs.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc
#250 - 2012-09-09 14:35:03 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
So you're Jade today? What's next, "it's a blight on your war record" and "you're so embarassed you whined to CCP to get the mechanics changed"?

No just pointing out that wars do effect Goonswarm members.

They have an effect on dumb fucks, yes. For anyone who isn't a mouthbreathing ******, however, the effects are ... well, evemail spam. Pretending that the effects go beyond that is just to emulate Jade.

Well you must have a hell of a lot of mouth breathers in Goonswarm. You have lost thousands of ships to war decs.


Oh no not thousands of ships.

Good thing we don't take part in wars in nullsec in which we lose thousands of ships in a day or less than a week for months on end.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#251 - 2012-09-09 14:35:37 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Well you must have a hell of a lot of mouth breathers in Goonswarm. You have lost thousands of ships to war decs.

Is water wet?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#252 - 2012-09-09 14:50:20 UTC
Haquer wrote:
Oh no not thousands of ships.

Good thing we don't take part in wars in nullsec in which we lose thousands of ships in a day or less than a week for months on end.

It's like someone thought we live in highsec where all the "elite pvp" is.

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Ghazu
#253 - 2012-09-09 16:37:31 UTC
small corps penalised by the wardec system because you scrubs are not worth the trouble.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Ben Youssef Noban
Doomheim
#254 - 2012-09-09 17:32:29 UTC
Is Goonswarm at war with anyone since the war changes?
Lady Whipcrack
Doomheim
#255 - 2012-09-11 21:06:11 UTC
Haquer wrote:
No guys, clearly 99% of us don't do logistics with neutral alts, especially when hauling alliance moongoo through highsec.


Precisely why NPC corp members should not be allowed to use freighters or, indeed, anything larger than a BC.
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#256 - 2012-09-11 21:16:26 UTC
Lady Whipcrack wrote:
Haquer wrote:
No guys, clearly 99% of us don't do logistics with neutral alts, especially when hauling alliance moongoo through highsec.


Precisely why NPC corp members should not be allowed to use freighters or, indeed, anything larger than a BC.
No, don't even think about it...
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#257 - 2012-09-11 21:17:49 UTC
ban npc corps
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#258 - 2012-09-11 21:28:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
ban npc corps
So basicly you want to force new players like myself into (random?) player corps that might not be right for us, which will likely lead to many more potential subscribers quitting before they even get started? What?
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
GX307
Fractured Glory
Rote Kapelle
#259 - 2012-09-11 21:34:08 UTC
Keep cost by size but make it a mashup of all involved.

W = small 10 man corp 1
X = small 20 man corp 2
Y = gigantic 5000 man alliance 1

Z = cost of wardec = sum of all involved

So if 2 small corps want to wardec Z is small.
If Gigantilliance wants to wardec Z is large etc etc.

Its not perfect but at least its not so binarily lopsided in favor of the larger.

I'm sure there are some other permutations that could work too, I keep thinking that wardec allies could increase the total but there could be a decreased ratio based on the totals of either side.

Not sure, not going to spend much more time thinking about it, just throwing it out there for discussion.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#260 - 2012-09-11 21:37:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Paul Oliver wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
ban npc corps
So basicly you want to force new players like myself into (random?) player corps that might not be right for us, which will likely lead to many more potential subscribers quitting before they even get started? What?
No, merely make it once an age/SP threshhold has been passed, you can be wardecced as an individual.
You'd be a 'freelancer' beholden to noone, like in Firefly for example. You'd be choosing personal initiative and mobility over protection as part of a larger group.
You can keep the NPC corp channel and all, just lose the NPC corp wardec immunity.

Also, people getting bored after never leaving their NPC starting corp and quitting is the greatest source of player loss in EVE, which is why CCP openly advertises groups like RvB and EVE Uni since they are proven retainers of newbie player subs.

Ban NPC corps.