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Looking to reduce powergrid.........
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Mr Chili Palmer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-08-05 13:58:23 UTC
working on a fit for a tengu but i am struggling with the powergrid :(

i am using evehq and this is the fit below

[Tengu, Current tengu fit copy 1]

subsystems
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node

high
3x Heavy Missile Launcher II
3x Heavy Missile Launcher II

medium
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
2x Cap Recharger II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Large Shield Booster II

low
3x Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II

rigs
3x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


my problem comes into play when i try to fit the large shield booster, fitting this takes me 1.97% over the max powergrid i have available i have 787.5MW. fitting the large shield booster takes me upto 803MW

however when i play with the HQF pilot manage and play with the skill settings ie tweaking the levels all to lvl5 my powergrid "USAGE" drops to 740MW with the large shield booster II fitted.

my problem is i cannot figure out which individual skill/skill's is effecting this :(

any advice appreciated

"If at first you don't succeed, remove all evidence you ever tried"

"If your boss is getting you down, look at him through the prongs of a fork and imagine him in jail"
Mr Chili Palmer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-08-05 14:06:12 UTC
sorted
it was advanced weapon upgrades :)

"If at first you don't succeed, remove all evidence you ever tried"

"If your boss is getting you down, look at him through the prongs of a fork and imagine him in jail"
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#3 - 2012-08-05 21:32:52 UTC
I was going to post AWU as the probable skill in question.

More important is your fit.

You really need a prop mod, and I recommend a shield boost amp or a TP in place of the other cap booster. Cap is rarely an issue with a PVE Tengu, unless you are specificly being neuted by a rat or tower.

Bottom slot, the power diagnostic is not as good for that ship as a damage control would be. Or a speed mod.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#4 - 2012-08-05 23:23:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
AWU is always good, there are other oft overlooked fitting skills:

* Shield Upgrades 5 - Useless most of the time, until you really really need it.

* Rigging Drawbacks - All the weapon system rigs have CPU or grid drawbacks. Again, mostly useless until you really need it.

I've used this fit with a low-skill alt. Just keep moving (orbit the warp-in beacon at 10 km or the acceleration gate at 500 m), and you are invincible. With more skill, and ISK, you can do a lot better than this fit though.

[Tengu, Simple Level 4]
Power Diagnostic System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Shield Boost Amplifier I
Dread Guristas EM Ward Field
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
10MN Afterburner II
Medium Shield Booster II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Xylem Viliana
homeless bum
#5 - 2012-08-06 10:28:47 UTC
for how little they cost get a fleet afterburner IMO
Mr Chili Palmer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-08-08 16:38:33 UTC
Many thanks for the advice, I am working away from home so cannot make any
Changes till I get home. Excuse my ignorance but what is a TP?

"If at first you don't succeed, remove all evidence you ever tried"

"If your boss is getting you down, look at him through the prongs of a fork and imagine him in jail"
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#7 - 2012-08-08 17:31:42 UTC
Mr Chili Palmer wrote:
Excuse my ignorance but what is a TP?


A good sign that you are not ready for a Tengu
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#8 - 2012-08-08 18:21:35 UTC
Mr Chili Palmer wrote:
Many thanks for the advice, I am working away from home so cannot make any
Changes till I get home. Excuse my ignorance but what is a TP?


Target painter.

And yes, the fit needs work. Unless you're direly short on cpu I'd definitely go for a boost amp over a painter. The AB is a must either way.
Mr Chili Palmer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-08-08 18:45:44 UTC
Gibbo3771 wrote:
Mr Chili Palmer wrote:
Excuse my ignorance but what is a TP?


A good sign that you are not ready for a Tengu


So because I did not associate TP with anything then that in your eyes makes me not ready Mmmmmmm
How about DH does that ring any bells?

"If at first you don't succeed, remove all evidence you ever tried"

"If your boss is getting you down, look at him through the prongs of a fork and imagine him in jail"
CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#10 - 2012-08-08 19:06:43 UTC
Mr Chili Palmer wrote:
Gibbo3771 wrote:
Mr Chili Palmer wrote:
Excuse my ignorance but what is a TP?


A good sign that you are not ready for a Tengu


So because I did not associate TP with anything then that in your eyes makes me not ready Mmmmmmm
How about DH does that ring any bells?


Double-Helix? I fail to see what DNA has to do with a Tengu.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-08-09 09:45:46 UTC
Mr Chili Palmer wrote:
Gibbo3771 wrote:
Mr Chili Palmer wrote:
Excuse my ignorance but what is a TP?


A good sign that you are not ready for a Tengu


So because I did not associate TP with anything then that in your eyes makes me not ready Mmmmmmm
How about DH does that ring any bells?


Well, to translate into English, a lack of familiarity with target painters is a sign that one needs to get more proficient in missile combat (where a TP can make the difference between slamming a target and wasting most of your DPS on empty space), and given that a Tengu is a half-billion-ISK strategic cruiser whose entire offensive punch comes from missiles (we'll ignore turret Tengu fits because, well, there's a reason they're called "failguns"), mistakes can be prohibitively expensive.

Not that a Tengu fit necessarily needs a TP, but in a lot of circumstances, it's useful for a missile boat, so you'd have to understand what it can do, and what its drawbacks are.

(DH: are we talking about de Havilland? or the designated hitter? or something else?)

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Mr Chili Palmer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-08-11 00:10:59 UTC
currently got to this stage, everything stable

[Tengu, Current tengu fit test]
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node

6x Heavy Missile Launcher II (Scourge Heavy Missile)

Shield Boost Amplifier II
10MN Afterburner II
Target Painter I
Medium Shield Booster II
2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

3x Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

3x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

"If at first you don't succeed, remove all evidence you ever tried"

"If your boss is getting you down, look at him through the prongs of a fork and imagine him in jail"
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#13 - 2012-08-11 00:28:11 UTC
That fit will act like a Tengu is supposed to act.

Are MoonWarriors still in Syndicate? If so you will do good to fit specific hardners, kinetic/thermal for the rats there.
And T2 missiles will help.
GL
Mr Chili Palmer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-08-11 19:12:21 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
That fit will act like a Tengu is supposed to act.

Are MoonWarriors still in Syndicate? If so you will do good to fit specific hardners, kinetic/thermal for the rats there.
And T2 missiles will help.
GL



cheers for the reply, i am rather dissapointed that i cannot fit a large shield booster II without going over my cap, i also read a thread recently that said something about avoiding t2 missiles, as they increase your sig radius and don't hit as hard?

here it is
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=142612&find=unread

"If at first you don't succeed, remove all evidence you ever tried"

"If your boss is getting you down, look at him through the prongs of a fork and imagine him in jail"
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#15 - 2012-08-11 23:18:27 UTC
Mr Chili Palmer wrote:
i also read a thread recently that said something about avoiding t2 missiles, as they increase your sig radius and don't hit as hard?

here it is
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=142612&find=unread


Don't misunderstand what that thread was about. It was specifically about difficulties killing frigates, and most especially elite frigates that web and scram. For those, you want to avoid Fury missiles, but the second post actually suggests using Precision -- the other kind of T2 guided missile.
Mr Chili Palmer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-08-12 10:07:19 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Mr Chili Palmer wrote:
i also read a thread recently that said something about avoiding t2 missiles, as they increase your sig radius and don't hit as hard?

here it is
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=142612&find=unread


Don't misunderstand what that thread was about. It was specifically about difficulties killing frigates, and most especially elite frigates that web and scram. For those, you want to avoid Fury missiles, but the second post actually suggests using Precision -- the other kind of T2 guided missile.


thanks for clarifying that for me, appreciated

"If at first you don't succeed, remove all evidence you ever tried"

"If your boss is getting you down, look at him through the prongs of a fork and imagine him in jail"
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#17 - 2012-08-15 15:12:32 UTC
Mr Chili Palmer wrote:
RavenPaine wrote:
That fit will act like a Tengu is supposed to act.

Are MoonWarriors still in Syndicate? If so you will do good to fit specific hardners, kinetic/thermal for the rats there.
And T2 missiles will help.
GL



cheers for the reply, i am rather dissapointed that i cannot fit a large shield booster II without going over my cap, i also read a thread recently that said something about avoiding t2 missiles, as they increase your sig radius and don't hit as hard?

here it is
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=142612&find=unread


I assume you have a Power Grid implant.
Thought I would mention it just in case. You can get up to 5% power grid there. The 3% ones are cheap. Not that you should cheap out when flying a Tengu.
Katira Majere
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-08-17 12:42:35 UTC
Mr Chili Palmer wrote:
RavenPaine wrote:
That fit will act like a Tengu is supposed to act.

Are MoonWarriors still in Syndicate? If so you will do good to fit specific hardners, kinetic/thermal for the rats there.
And T2 missiles will help.
GL



cheers for the reply, i am rather dissapointed that i cannot fit a large shield booster II without going over my cap, i also read a thread recently that said something about avoiding t2 missiles, as they increase your sig radius and don't hit as hard?

here it is
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=142612&find=unread



ive ran 6/10 with t1 meta 4 shield amp and t2 medium booster and never had to run it full time course i couldnt either. so you really shouldnt need a large. the biggest thing with the tengu is the subsystems. getting those to 5 really opens alot of doors
Canabi
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
#19 - 2012-08-17 18:25:40 UTC
CorInaXeraL wrote:
Mr Chili Palmer wrote:
Gibbo3771 wrote:
Mr Chili Palmer wrote:
Excuse my ignorance but what is a TP?


A good sign that you are not ready for a Tengu


So because I did not associate TP with anything then that in your eyes makes me not ready Mmmmmmm
How about DH does that ring any bells?


Double-Helix? I fail to see what DNA has to do with a Tengu.


DNA can be associated with a DH.....
It sure paints the target.
Bommel McMurdoc
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-08-24 21:37:04 UTC
Mr Chili Palmer wrote:
Gibbo3771 wrote:
Mr Chili Palmer wrote:
Excuse my ignorance but what is a TP?


A good sign that you are not ready for a Tengu


So because I did not associate TP with anything then that in your eyes makes me not ready Mmmmmmm
How about DH does that ring any bells?



tee hee you called him a "Richard Cranium" didn't you?!
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