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Why do so many EVE players think they are superior gamers?
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Spy 21
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-08-04 22:03:14 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
ThisIsntMyMain wrote:
We don't. We think youre inferior.


Can you give a clue as to why? Maybe a response that someone can read and actually have reason to think you may be right.

Right now you are just proving my point. Thanks


Nerf Burger
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The fact that you have to hide on an alt proves you are inferior.


Exactly!
It takes at least a year just to learn what it is that you actually still need to learn to effectively play this game. There levels of skill and knowledge that are not even apparent before then...

Like in the original "Dune"....

"I see plans within plans..."

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Obfuscation for the WIN on page 3...
Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
#22 - 2012-08-04 22:07:30 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
I see it all the time, players claiming superiority because of the game they play, but in EVE the level delusions of grandeur are far beyond anything I've seen.

To me this seems like a fallacy of logic.

For one thing, it doesn't take any special skill to play EVE. You don't need twitch skills like you would in a first person shooter game and you don't need macro-ability or micro-ability or actions per minute like you would in an RTS game. All that is required is knowledge, know what weapons to use, know what you can kill and can't kill, and know what can kill you. Copy a popular fit and listen to your FC and you are as effective as you can be. Your personal skills as a gamer are totally irrelevant for the most part. Know what direction to fly and know game mechanics to succeed. As far as I can tell, there is nothing that really takes skill in EVE, all that is needed is knowledge on what to do, which any simpleton can acquire over time. You could even argue that WoW takes more skill than EVE. So why is it that so many EVE players think they are so special?

Personally I see EVE as a knowledge-based game, not a skill-based game. If anything, this is the kind of game people would be comfortable with after getting sick of losing in skill-based games. I think EVE is a great game, but there no reason to pretend like because we play it, we are somehow smarter or more hardcore than other gamers. There are skill based games that are more hardcore than EVE and require more thought.

Set me right, EVE forum dwellers, what makes you superior?


Was thinking the same thing. Sometimes it looks to me it's those who are generally poor at competitive games that are the loudest(similar to sports really, poor player scores he dances for 10 minutes). Here they can have their 20 to 1 odds and beat their chests proclaiming some superiority.
Others likely find this game deeper, which it is, but damn people, it's still just a video game, no one is curing cancer here.
Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-08-04 22:13:24 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
I see it all the time, players claiming superiority because of the game they play, but in EVE the level delusions of grandeur are far beyond anything I've seen.

To me this seems like a fallacy of logic.

For one thing, it doesn't take any special skill to play EVE. You don't need twitch skills like you would in a first person shooter game and you don't need macro-ability or micro-ability or actions per minute like you would in an RTS game. All that is required is knowledge, know what weapons to use, know what you can kill and can't kill, and know what can kill you. Copy a popular fit and listen to your FC and you are as effective as you can be. Your personal skills as a gamer are totally irrelevant for the most part. Know what direction to fly and know game mechanics to succeed. As far as I can tell, there is nothing that really takes skill in EVE, all that is needed is knowledge on what to do, which any simpleton can acquire over time. You could even argue that WoW takes more skill than EVE. So why is it that so many EVE players think they are so special?

Personally I see EVE as a knowledge-based game, not a skill-based game. If anything, this is the kind of game people would be comfortable with after getting sick of losing in skill-based games. I think EVE is a great game, but there no reason to pretend like because we play it, we are somehow smarter or more hardcore than other gamers. There are skill based games that are more hardcore than EVE and require more thought.

Set me right, EVE forum dwellers, what makes you superior?


Cause we're better than you, and we know it. Sign up for your GloboGym membership today and join the superior people!

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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#24 - 2012-08-04 22:15:30 UTC
There are several reasons.

1) EVE is a PvP game (with the exception that it cannot sustain itself purely with PvP).

2) It requires skill (which can be trained while not even playing. The longer you subscribe, I mean play, the game the more "skilled" you become).

3) It features a variety of ships (some of which can only be piloted if you have played a long time, all of which you can pay real dollars for to win with).

I jest though. Typically in PvP games you get a bunch of helmet heads that haven't seen the light of day in a month. This community seems to be alright.
Hypercake Mix
#25 - 2012-08-04 22:17:04 UTC
Because we play other, more skill-demanding games and EVE simultaneously.
Pisov viet
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-08-04 22:22:58 UTC
Because they are pathetic nerds betas who wouldnt get a girl anyway.
Arkturus McFadden
Anukar
#27 - 2012-08-04 22:24:25 UTC
Type A personalities.


EVE attracts a hell of a lot of them. I think thats why so many EVE players think they are superior.
Sarrein Razor
RazorEnterprise
#28 - 2012-08-04 22:28:03 UTC
http://rattlab.net/wp-content/uploads/eve-online-learning-curve.jpg


I think this explains why we ARE pro gamers;)

It is a bit old, but it didnt change much in regard of facts. You can add STO or something similar to the cart, they simply can not stand against eve.

I tryed to stop playing, i just found out that there is nothing else as fulfilling as eve on the gaming market.
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#29 - 2012-08-04 22:38:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Omega Sunset
@OP
With that same argument, you can substitute the debate to tiddlywinks vs. chess. Tiddlywinks is "skill" (reflex etc) while chess is simply knowledge (as the OP seems to denote as the lesser). Clearly the game of chess with it's demand for knowledge requires far superior skill to play compared to tiddlywinks. And generally, you need to be pretty bright and dedicated to make anything of yourself within the chess scene. EVE is far more like chess in comparison to WoW's game of tiddlywinks.

Thus, the logic of the original post is severely flawed.

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Mors Sanctitatis
Death of Virtue
#30 - 2012-08-04 23:16:18 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
ThisIsntMyMain wrote:
We don't. We think youre inferior.


Can you give a clue as to why? Maybe a response that someone can read and actually have reason to think you may be right.

Right now you are just proving my point. Thanks


Nerf Burger
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The fact that you have to hide on an alt proves you are inferior.


This.

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Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-08-04 23:30:27 UTC


Jax Bederen wrote:


Was thinking the same thing. Sometimes it looks to me it's those who are generally poor at competitive games that are the loudest(similar to sports really, poor player scores he dances for 10 minutes). Here they can have their 20 to 1 odds and beat their chests proclaiming some superiority.
Others likely find this game deeper, which it is, but damn people, it's still just a video game, no one is curing cancer here.


Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Hiya

Quite simply because EvE Online is not a large game. Hence when big alliances make small decisions they affect most of the EvE universe

= Ego - Superior Attitude

WOW - Millions if players with Thousands of realms across three main server groups i.e US/EU/China and Japan - Millions of guilds. No one pays attention to anyone outside of there guild because the actions of one guild do not affect the realm the said guild is on.

Im afraid it is as simple as that.

In short

Small player base - Sandbox - Small decision by big alliance - thousands of players affected = Ego = Superior Attitude

Big game - non sandbox - no one cares - move on

Hope this helps


Yea, that makes sense.

Lady Spank wrote:


The fact that you have to hide on an alt proves you are inferior.


I actually think its pretty smart to post on an alt in a game like this where some disgruntled no-lifer would actually dedicate time trying to annoy me after hearing the unwanted truth.
Fairren
HellrisCorp
#32 - 2012-08-04 23:31:49 UTC
snip

Nerf Burger wrote:
As far as I can tell, there is nothing that really takes skill in EVE, all that is needed is knowledge on what to do, which any simpleton can acquire over time.


That's not true.
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#33 - 2012-08-04 23:37:09 UTC
Genetics, you got short gened, sorry Shocked

I'm an American, English is my second language...
Hemmo Paskiainen
#34 - 2012-08-04 23:39:09 UTC
Confirming that im special;

Did you know that using your brains is a skill too? It takes years of smoking dope to figur out how to use the other 88% of my brains. Stupid people dont see them selves as stupid, cause they dont experiance it that way. Only when you can abstract things to a relative level you can see things objectivly. From there it takes quet some time to figur out individualy stuff that makes you develop yourselve on a total new way.. This expands your horizon untill you get how to use your smartness properly. You assume thinking is all the same, it isnt but you cant know untill you can be abstract, unjudge mental and honest...seeing the things how they are and predict it. Apply that into eve and you will see that using brains is a hugh skill that does vary and does matter. Beatingyour ignorance, greed, selve rightness and stuffs like that is what makes you exell in eve... Kinda funny everyone say eve is a social game, hippiethinking <3

Bad grammar, typos but meh im sure you get the idea, prolly shouldnt have light this smoke Roll

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#35 - 2012-08-04 23:41:46 UTC
Why we think we are superior? Simple, it has to do with math and the math is the music of life, the universe and the games we play.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

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Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#36 - 2012-08-05 00:02:09 UTC
They're stuck playing spaceships in a submarine simulator, given the equations in eve this is barely algebra. There is no reason to act superior here. Truly marvelous thrones of pixels we build.

Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him?
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#37 - 2012-08-05 00:17:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Omega Sunset
Nylith Empyreal wrote:
They're stuck playing spaceships in a submarine simulator, given the equations in eve this is barely algebra. There is no reason to act superior here. Truly marvelous thrones of pixels we build.
And what ever maneuver in WoW has been equivalent to the starburst maneuver in EVE? In EVE you have the opportunity to use your mind to invent incredible measures as for to prevail in any given situation. Those games have NOooo challenge, and literally put me to sleep out of sheer mind stimulation deprivation.

Edit: Waiting for an answer. None, eh? That's what I thought.

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Zeomebuch Nova
Undrinkable Grog Inc.
#38 - 2012-08-05 00:29:18 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:

Why do so many EVE players think they are superior gamers?


Because they are not.

/thread
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#39 - 2012-08-05 00:37:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Omega Sunset
And really, what it comes down to, as far as for the original post, it's not about inferior players vs superior players, but first and foremost it's about lazy players vs. players seeking mind stimulating challenges. We just require more, while they fail more often due to their laziness. Just like chess, you can be good if you have the dedication, but in tiddlywinks you can only progress so far based on your reflex action. The brain is the greatest muscle of the body.

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Theron Urian
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-08-05 00:38:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Theron Urian
I think a lot of the superiority comes from the fact that most MMO's tell you what to do and achieve and then you set out to do it. In EvE its your personal drive that takes you places, the more drive you have the farther up the food chain you can go.

Odds are if you have drive and vision in a game, you also do in real life (But I am sure there are tons of people to prove this point wrong.)

EvE does take some amount of skill, and knowledge is a "skill" as well.

And what is wrong with thinking your self superior to some one else? Screw this equality and non judgmental bull crap, all that leads to is a bunch of ignorant people in your life and you getting hitched to some fat ugly cow.