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buee
New Armitage Company
#1 - 2011-09-24 17:53:57 UTC  |  Edited by: buee
So, I'm sure all of you have heard/ read about the recent discovery that faster than light travel may actually be possible (without requiring infinite energy). This, of course, has not yet been confirmed or replicated by the scientific community.

I'm sure that the vast majority of you would be thrilled if these findings were replicated, as it would bring time travel from science-fiction to science-plausable.

So let us now speculate, if these findings are proven to be a legitimate discovery, and time travel is truely somehow possible, what Paradoxs would you love to create?

Be creative, Kill Hitler is so old....

Edit: Apparently the leader of the nazi party in world war II is swear word, his name was bleeped.

Edit: Apparently the name of the swastika party is even a swear word.



Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44629739/ns/technology_and_science-science/
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-09-24 18:05:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Florestan Bronstein
buee wrote:
So, I'm sure all of you have heard/ read about the recent discovery that faster than light travel may actually be possible for a particle with extremely low (or maybe even imaginary) mass that usually moves at almost c and tends not to interact with any stuff in its way.

FYP
Holy One
Privat Party
#3 - 2011-09-24 18:07:45 UTC
Sheesh. Stop reminding me that Sengoku was rubbish and I didn't get accepted for the CK2 beta plz. Ugh

:)
buee
New Armitage Company
#4 - 2011-09-24 18:15:54 UTC
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
buee wrote:
So, I'm sure all of you have heard/ read about the recent discovery that faster than light travel may actually be possible for a particle with extremely low (or maybe even imaginary) mass that usually moves at almost c and tends not to interact with any stuff in its way.

FYP


The post is for pure fun, not for scientific accuracy. This is a science-fiction game, after all.
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-09-24 18:16:25 UTC
Damn that German patent clerk, and his outlandish theories.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#6 - 2011-09-24 18:37:58 UTC
As its just subatomic particles we can only send signals, information, back in time. And even that will be hard. To do it we got to send those particles to a receiver a goodly distance away. Then transfer the information to a second FTL transmitter that's traveling a good fraction of the speed of light away from earth. Next, that FTL transmitter sends a stream of particles back to earth, and they should arrive before the first signal was sent.

Im thinking lottery numbers and stock prices.

For a good paradox, have an arriving FTL particle signal the turning off the transmitter at earth.

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stoicfaux
#7 - 2011-09-24 18:56:27 UTC
"... fired a neutrino beam 454 miles (730 kilometers) underground from Geneva to Italy.
They found it traveled 60 nanoseconds faster than light. That's sixty billionth of a second, a time no human brain could register."

Diameter of earth is 12,745km, so 12,745 / 730 = 17.5 * 60 nanoseconds = 1,047.5 nanoseconds, giving you a microsecond time advantage.

Hrmmm, what to do with a millionth of a second time advantage... I'm not even sure you could place a trade in market B based on the pre-knowledge of market A, due to the time needed to transmit the neutrinos from market A, detect them at market B, and then process the information to create a trade in market B in order to create a meaningful paradox.

In order to get a one second time advantage, you would need to place a neutrino detector about 12.2 billion km away. The distance from Earth to Pluto varies between 4.4 to 7.4 billion km. The Voyager I spacecraft reached 14 billion km back in 2005. (It took Voyager I 10,000 days (or 27 years) to reach that distance.)

Ah never mind.


Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
stoicfaux
#8 - 2011-09-24 19:04:40 UTC
[quote=Vincent Athena]
Im thinking lottery numbers and stock prices.
[/quote

Wouldn't work for lottery numbers. Lotteries normally stop accepting ticket sales some time before the drawing starts. Even if they didn't, it would take time to draw the lottery numbers, say a minute. If it's necessary to place a neutrino detector at the edge of the solar just to gain a one second headstart, and assuming you need quantum entanglement to "instantly" transmit the lottery numbers back to Earth in order to buy a ticket (and I'm pretty sure entanglement doesn't quite work that way,) then

a) the neutrino detector would be so far out that you might not be able to detect the neutrinos due to them spreading out, and

b) you would need to place the detector so far out that you would need a thousand years at Voyager I speeds to get the neutrino detector far enough away go give a one minute time advantage, at which point neither the lottery nor you would exist.




Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#9 - 2011-09-24 19:46:12 UTC
buee wrote:


Edit: Apparently the leader of the **** party in world war II is swear word, his name was bleeped.

Edit: Apparently the name of the swastika party is even a swear word.



Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44629739/ns/technology_and_science-science/


Not a swear word, but Forbidden in Germany unless used in certain contexts, mostly of a historical nature.
So most websites (ebay included) do not support the use of those words, symbols, or items relating to.

Mostly people react with a blanket ban on all mention of the subject rather than navigate the laws of Germany.


anyhow....

Since time travel can only go backward (and theoretically only as far back as the invention of the time machine)

damn near any time travel would create a slew of issues, and for the record I thought a paradox is when you meet yourself (a physical impossibility)

My theory is more simple.

I believe that Gravity waves can bend and distort time, much like the concept of folding space for instant travel over long distances. At certain points in time the gravity waves distort time so much it virtually brings a bit of the past forward to the present, A shadow if you will of the past.

Since time travel forward is impossible (so far) this is sort of like a one way mirror, where you can see the past, but the past cant see you.

This also explains the appearance of ghosts
Magnus Orin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2011-09-24 21:07:37 UTC
Holy One wrote:
Sheesh. Stop reminding me that Sengoku was rubbish and I didn't get accepted for the CK2 beta plz. Ugh


Sengoku is not too too bad. It is fairly shallow though. I also did not get into the CK II beta :( Probably my most anticipated upcoming game.
Ilix E'ka
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2011-09-26 23:57:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Ilix E'ka
the same scientists also say our reality shouldn't be able to allow faster than light, and that the particle is presumed to flicker to another dimension, move faster than light there where its allowed, then flickers back to ours. So to re-frame it, its not just that we will be able to make an engine that goes faster than light or bends time, we have evidence of another dimension and we will be able to explore it if we can do what those particles do.

The only inference so far is that it requires less energy to move things faster over there. What else is over there?
Tyrnaeg en Varche
#12 - 2011-09-27 08:48:09 UTC
So CCP made it, they invented Time Dilation and MADE IT REAL.

Who's incompetent now, eh??
Veronica Zegna
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2011-09-27 09:15:40 UTC
3 hours before visible light:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SN_1987A#Neutrino_emissions

If this experiment is to be believed, there should have been significant bursts from that direction (measuring the Cerenkov radiation allows for this) at least FOUR years before any visible light was measured. I doubt c is in any real danger.
Jagga Spikes
Spikes Chop Shop
#14 - 2011-09-27 09:20:56 UTC
paradox doesn't exist. by definition. if it looks like paradox, someone is lying.

so, watch your wallet.
N'oah
ClownStar
#15 - 2011-09-27 09:32:46 UTC
Holy One wrote:
Sheesh. Stop reminding me that Sengoku was rubbish and I didn't get accepted for the CK2 beta plz. Ugh


We just have to be patient Blink
Signal11th
#16 - 2011-09-27 10:28:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
Veronica Zegna wrote:
3 hours before visible light:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SN_1987A#Neutrino_emissions

If this experiment is to be believed, there should have been significant bursts from that direction (measuring the Cerenkov radiation allows for this) at least FOUR years before any visible light was measured. I doubt c is in any real danger.



Yep because we know everything about nature and the universe now, Wasn't the world flat 300 years ago?
Always amazes me how for the past 10000 years we have always been proved wrong about most things we still have this ferverant belief we know everything there is to know.

Although I must admit If time travel did exist don't you think Hilmar might have watched where he was leaving his emails lying around? Twisted

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
The Offerer
Doomheim
#17 - 2011-09-27 10:30:36 UTC
buee wrote:
So let us now speculate, if these findings are proven to be a legitimate discovery, and time travel is truely somehow possible, what Paradoxs would you love to create?


For a real paradox, try to pickpocket yourself in the past... you have the money and you don't have the money Pirate
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-09-27 11:17:23 UTC

I'd teach Adolph how to draw better pictures.
Insta-Change-of-History !

Oh and besides, people never really believed the world was flat,
(every day i learn new things, or about old things that were wrong...)
but for some reason this "historical fact" still remains in the publics mind.

Probably because "mass media" don't give a **** about telling anybody (because none would care anyhow)
and 90% of the ppl don't give a **** about trying to be smarter than the rest.
The Offerer
Doomheim
#19 - 2011-09-27 11:22:40 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:


Oh and besides, people never really believed the world was flat,
(every day i learn new things, or about old things that were wrong...)
but for some reason this "historical fact" still remains in the publics mind.


orly: http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/Lol
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-09-27 11:43:31 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
"... fired a neutrino beam 454 miles (730 kilometers) underground from Geneva to Italy.
They found it traveled 60 nanoseconds faster than light. That's sixty billionth of a second, a time no human brain could register."

Diameter of earth is 12,745km, so 12,745 / 730 = 17.5 * 60 nanoseconds = 1,047.5 nanoseconds, giving you a microsecond time advantage.

Hrmmm, what to do with a millionth of a second time advantage... I'm not even sure you could place a trade in market B based on the pre-knowledge of market A, due to the time needed to transmit the neutrinos from market A, detect them at market B, and then process the information to create a trade in market B in order to create a meaningful paradox.

In order to get a one second time advantage, you would need to place a neutrino detector about 12.2 billion km away. The distance from Earth to Pluto varies between 4.4 to 7.4 billion km. The Voyager I spacecraft reached 14 billion km back in 2005. (It took Voyager I 10,000 days (or 27 years) to reach that distance.)

Ah never mind.




So what you're saying is that if I sent myself a text message via a star in Abell 1835 IR1916 warning myself that I shouldn't text and drive that I could prevent the accident I had while texting myself that very same message while driving?

But then that would mean we would have had to already been there to place the transmission equipment in order to take advantage of this little quirk of nature. Isn't that basically what is stated in the theory of the Einstein Rosen bridge?

Don't ban me, bro!
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