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The massive brawling vs kiting imbalance
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Oswald Banecroft
Muteki Imperium
#21 - 2012-08-04 16:13:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Oswald Banecroft
Really? If you find that to be so then spend time fighting people in wormholes. The only thing those people seem to know how to do is get up close and personal. You should have fun "kiting" them all day long, or, you know, fighting at zero like a champ.

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Crazy KSK
Tsunami Cartel
#22 - 2012-08-04 17:41:51 UTC
I think that the proplem with close range brawlers is that they can be kited at all in others words

Gallente ships should be the fastest in the game not minmatar
HOWEVER
Gallente in exchange should be significantly less maneuverable
a gallente brutix with a 10mn mwd should move more like a 100mn AB fit

race trades should be like this

Gallente : Highest top speed but lowest agility
Minmatar : Highest agility Second best top speed
Amarr : low agility and low speed but huge tank and longest range guns
Caldari : well here is a small problem since caldari has blaster boats and missile boats I guess the missle ships should be just as slow as amarr probably even less agile since HMs have so much range
the rail/ blaster boats should be just as fast agile as Gallente ships are

to fix armor tanking the penalty should be changed from Mass addition to Inertia addition/reduction which ever makes the ship accelerate/ align slower

with those changes gallente ships could not be kited with the same fits and even an armor bruix should be able to catch a one nano shield cane since it would be faster
if the cane pilot is good however he could use his high maneuverability to still somewhat kite the brutix with rapid direction changes makeing the bruix overshoot
so yeah just running away in a straight line would not work anymore the bruix would catch up get a scram on it and from then on have the advantage

the balance of tank and gank then has a big role and should be counted in seriously:
if the cane (shield or armor) has been running in a straight line was shooting the whole time at the brutix and took some hp off it and then gets caught by the bruix at that point the bruix should have the same chance to win even with the less hp it now has due to having more ehp

the cane however should still be able to escape out of scram range by maneuvering well
I know for this to work the bruix would have to have incredibly bad agility but thats what im thinking

in general I think that the racial traits the ships have, have become barely noticeable and should be much more dominant then they are right now
as I said earlier the with the bruix, Gallente ships should be about a nano or two (10-20%) faster then the minmatar but a nano or two less agile as their basic stats, Amarr and Caldari ships should have about 10-20% more HP then Gallente or Mintatar as compensation for their bad agility/speed

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Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-08-04 23:16:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Garreth Vlox
Takeshi Yamato wrote:
PewPewLaser wrote:
You seem to forget that eve is about numbers. Nano **** should be effective in smaller scale engagements. Before nano ships got popular small scale pvp was boring; It was literally sit at 0 shoot each other. Buffing spam q f1 is stupid.

Now I agree with the ASB change there needs to be a similar option for armor tanking as the only armor tank you see is obviously buffer and that means you cant nano out of engagements or dictate range.


I agree with you that kiting should be a viable tactic. I'm not trying to get it removed from the game. I'm trying to get it balanced with brawling. I also have concerns that tiericide will fail to achieve its goal if the underlying imbalance of brawling vs kiting is left unadressed. Afterall, at least half of the ships in EVE are armor tankers.

If we look at the frigate level, brawling is much better balanced with kiting and you don't need pocket Huginns around to deal with nano ships. I think this is a good goal for the cruiser and battlecruiser level.


He's got a point I miss the days of point blank Armor BS throwdowns were you set orbit on a tanked to hell command ship and just **** each other up for hours while logi's make things interesting.

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