EVE General Discussion

pro-tip: You are wrong.

An AFK cloaker is literally incapable of doing anything. They cannot "**** up the game" for someone else. If your average terrible renter nullbear, upon seeing a single other person in an MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER game chooses to pos/dock up, stop playing and start crying well... that is something THEY did. They made that choice. They acted that way. The AFK cloaker did absolutely nothing as he's, you know, AFK.

the whole "a bloo bloo we can't do anything if theres someone in local with us a bloo bloo" stuff is pathetic. There are thousands of pilots in 0.0 who get along just fine, and thousands more in wormhole space who get along just fine without even knowing who the hell is in system. Fifty T3s could decloak on you at any minute, but that doesn't stop us. Grow a pair or go back to hello kitty online.

AFK Cloakers are not an issue most of the time you get nothing and occasionally you get blown up. unless you bring mates to rat or simply goto another system. I grew up in Null and never got a single death from an AFK cloaky.

In the immortal words of CCP Guard: HTFU

let me talk you one story. As a pubbie you will enjoy it.

Solo frigate is roaming near the gate hunting for wrecks. There is some ships was killed here so wrecks are full of tasty loot. I see him and try to engage in my Enyo. Occasionally i see 2+ reds close to me and trying to attack. Yes they were in Local but nothing was on D-Scan.

Fight finished by occasionally bomber dropped bomb on us so we got out (just in case....).

However i guess this is answer to your honest question. Cause you never know if that "AFK_cloaker" is AFK or not.

i was never killed by USA soldiers.
I was never attacked by snake.
I was never hit by car....

Decide for yourself what does your experience worth in some cases.....

well.
Soldiers aren't here. Do you see them? (most of you will not even see his shot before it hits you)
snakes aren't here. Do you see them? (most of time you will notice snake only after attack)
cars isn't here (elsewere you won't be so careless to get hit by it)

See analogy with "AFK"?

You fail on so many levels it should be criminal.

You're making the same "a game should be fun...therefore people shouldn't be allowed to screw with me" logical fallacy that some vocal forum posting high sec miners were making. That's stupid, but it's super stupid in NULL SEC, a portion of space MEANT for people to screw with each other.

You have NO right to use an upgraded system, other than the "right to keep and bear space arms" lol. In other words, if you can't defend yourself from the hit drop that cloaky might bring to your anomalie, plex or asteroid belt, you don't deserve that anom, plex or asteroid belt in the 1st place.

I've been through several null sec wars, every time the bad guys put cloakys all over the place. I fit cloak and MWD to my ratting ships and went off ratting hubs, havens and sanctums (and their escalations) in backwater systems and still kept the isk flowing, only pain was the logistics of it , damn machariel drinks ammo.

If they want to spend account after account trying to deny me my ratting, that's perfect although no one has ever gone that far.

The difference between someone like you Victoria, and someone like me, is that I adapt to my situation, where as you let yourself get shut down by some afk dude in a kestral.....

i have fixed for me what you are like to have. i live in wh and dont have afk cloakers. they all are active :-)

No fuel doesn't ruin it at all, just makes it more interesting. Covopses could get a bonus to fuel consumption, and Cloaking skill could also decrease consumption. Cloaking huge ships like Orcas would gobble up fuel.

I don't care a bit about nullbears and their AFK cloaking issues, I just see the cloak as a very powerful module, and being able to use such a tool forever counterintuitive and lame.

Just like real long-term recon operations can't go on forever without resupplying, cloakers would just need to load fuel every now and then.



You could just as well say that opposing any changes to forevercloaking is trying to keep the game easy for themselves and harder for their enemies, but my motivation is to make it more interesting and dynamic for all. WH space is infested with cloaky alts, would it really be worse for the game, if there would be a small window in time where they would be exposed?

Think about, what is cooler: being able to spy without any chance of ever getting caught, or spying knowing that in two days your corpie needs to bring you more fuel, and your targets might guesstimate when your fuel runs out and are prepared? Or trying to get into a hostile system to save that cloaker?

AFK cloaking sucks. Should be removed.

The only real problem I have with afk cloakers is the T3 ships being able to both cloak and use interdiction nullifier at the same time...

But promoting afk play is a really really bad feature... I dont care about people cloaking in system all day long if I know they are playing. just as I am forced to actually play if I want to achieve something else.