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Cloak's and afk cloakers
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Gabrielle Lamb
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-08-04 01:17:26 UTC
Shizuken wrote:

How about something easier and kess detrimental to regular cloak users? Add a tachyon probe for probe launchers that lets you scan down cloaked ships. Long scan time and low signature strength so people on the move are fine, but those at rest for long periods are sitting ducks...

/solveproblem
/stopwhine


Nah, what the heck is the problem with letting people operate solo in 0.0? Because this is basically what the cloak lets you do, and it's the only kind of defense, other then spending hours jumping from safespot to safespot, that lets you do this.

If you remove cloaking, 0.0 becomes nothing but a pure bruteforce arena. If you get a solo explorer in one of your systems you just grab 15-20 guys, set up gatecamps at all gates, Tachyon probe him down and kill him. And the only alternative left for him is to log off and pray he doesn't get killed before his minute is over.

I mean, the 15-20 guys rushing in to hunt down a lone explorer is the damn reason people feel forced to fit cloaks right now. And dealing with a lone cloaker is ******* easy already.

1. Stop soloing, make a 3 man ratting group where one person fits tackle, rat in 2-3 systems instead of sticking to a single one.
2. If you wanna do complexes, do it with a 5 man group and have at least on Logi with you.
3. If you wanna kill him, try bait him in with an "easy" kill.

I mean if you can instant-field a 15 man group to hunt down a single cloaker for 3 ******* hours, you could actually take that same group and do some PVE while waiting. It's not rocket science.
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#22 - 2012-08-04 01:17:51 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
That reminds, my AFK cloaking alt is almost done training.

Which system needs additional surveillance?


Renters... renters are the best. They dock up and stop ratting. And when the rent bill is coming up, they can't pay and produce tears.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#23 - 2012-08-04 01:20:41 UTC
Also, don't forget the usefulness of the False Flag AFK Cloaker. Alliance mates ratting too much? Messing up your chains? Bring the neutral AFK Cloaker alt.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-08-04 01:25:57 UTC
Another thread will fix it!
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#25 - 2012-08-04 01:32:41 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Also, don't forget the usefulness of the False Flag AFK Cloaker. Alliance mates ratting too much? Messing up your chains? Bring the neutral AFK Cloaker alt.


I like the way you think, it is suitably twisted and devious, have you considered politics? Twisted

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Maddie Gunslinger
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-08-04 01:33:19 UTC
Apo Lyptica wrote:
I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem. So how about this-

Compounding capacitor use per cycle.

Example- 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 350, 400, 450 cap use

Now you ask what about ships who are supposed to use cloaks? Add in a bonus, either flat or per t2 skill. But at the same time, balance it out so a ship that is SUPPOSED to cloak can do so for about an 1.5 hours with out specialized fitting.

Sound good?



Who are "we"?

Why is this a problem?
And why is that a problem?

I think we pretty much agree that this thread is a problem, and it should only be allowed to exist for 1.5 hours.

What? No...
Spurty
#27 - 2012-08-04 01:36:54 UTC
Zomg, must be a day ending in a Y

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Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#28 - 2012-08-04 01:42:05 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Also, don't forget the usefulness of the False Flag AFK Cloaker. Alliance mates ratting too much? Messing up your chains? Bring the neutral AFK Cloaker alt.


I like the way you think, it is suitably twisted and devious, have you considered politics? Twisted


Thanks you sir... I'll have to give credit to my 3 ex wives and their divorce lawyers.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Gabrielle Lamb
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-08-04 01:43:15 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:

Thanks you sir... I'll have to give credit to my 3 ex wives and their divorce lawyers.


Yeh, I'd post and say I like it myself but that could ruin the tactic for later. So left it with the Like button.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#30 - 2012-08-04 01:49:33 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
That reminds, my AFK cloaking alt is almost done training.

Which system needs additional surveillance?

Renters... renters are the best. They dock up and stop ratting. And when the rent bill is coming up, they can't pay and produce tears.

I wanted to camp the renters, but was too busy bombing people.

Then TEST said to leave the south alone...


And then I was the ratter seeing afk campers in local. Opps.

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#31 - 2012-08-04 01:58:34 UTC
1) no they are not a problem

2) this idea is [insert desired profanities and censored materials] and would make life hell for those who are not afk and doing something cloaked.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-08-04 02:03:32 UTC
Apo Lyptica wrote:
Lol, at this time I'm the one who's cloaked. I'm staring at my capacitor recharging and thought to myself why can I set here and do this with out penalty.


You're also sitting there doing nothing.

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-08-04 02:22:52 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Also, don't forget the usefulness of the False Flag AFK Cloaker. Alliance mates ratting too much? Messing up your chains? Bring the neutral AFK Cloaker alt.


Oh I do like this. Well done.

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Viceroy Jane
Demons on Wings
#34 - 2012-08-04 02:34:38 UTC
I know people have complained for years but I have a new and exciting idea to my made-up problem.
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#35 - 2012-08-04 02:40:18 UTC
Came in expecting own current victim of AFK cloaking. Left with nothing but my own hands to satisfy myself ...

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#36 - 2012-08-04 03:52:35 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Came in expecting own current victim of AFK cloaking. Left with nothing but my own hands to satisfy myself ...

Go and AFK cloak near someone.

Make your own victims, as it was.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Electra002
Warp to Zero Holding
#37 - 2012-08-04 03:57:44 UTC
AFK cloaking IS a problem, and all the people who are here disagreeing are the ones who do it themselves while they're at work.

A module timer and increased cap usage (similar to the new sentry gun change coming) would do this good.
Russell Casey
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-08-04 04:00:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Russell Casey
AFK cloaking wouldn't exist if it weren't for immediate local----take your pick.

Also, rat with friends. The whole reason you went to null was to pew-pew in big, epic mega-blobs, amirite?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#39 - 2012-08-04 04:01:15 UTC
Apo Lyptica wrote:
I think we pretty much agree that afk cloakers are a problem.
No.
Electra002 wrote:
AFK cloaking IS a problem, and all the people who are here disagreeing are the ones who do it themselves while they're at work.
No.

But local sure needs fixing.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#40 - 2012-08-04 04:01:41 UTC
Electra002 wrote:
AFK cloaking IS a problem, and all the people who are here disagreeing are the ones who do it themselves while they're at work.

Well I've been afk camped, but then I logoff camped. Heh.

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