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TheGunslinger42

All Web Investigations

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#241 - 2012-08-23 11:10:59 UTC

Via Shivon wrote:

first i am not crying
second im talking for myself and not my ally
third give me a just one tool to kill the ***** in the bomber when cloakt and i will change ship

Sounds like crying to me. Anyway, I never said you were speaking for your alliance, just amused that someone who is part of such a massive, powerful entity is crying over a single pilot, let alone a single AFK pilot. Grab one or two people from the 9000 spacefriends you have and you'll have a counter/defense.
Also, asking for a tool to kill/decloak/whatever cloaked ships is just flat out stupid. It destroys the entire point of cloaking ships, and there is no valid reason to provide such a ridiculous ship/module/mechanic as there is no problem to begin with. Other than your own cowardice. Again, this all boils down to you wanting the game mechanics to be designed/changed in such a way that provides you with absolute certainties / absolute safety, while making it harder for other players. You're crying for an "i win" button, which is pathetic.

Via Shivon wrote:

really? give me killmails from high sec kills were ppl got blobbt by caps, supercaps, fleets in 20 seconds, thanks.

Give me a SINGLE killmail attained by an AFK cloaker. Pro-tip: You can't. There are 0. Stop crying.

Frying Doom

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#242 - 2012-08-23 11:15:22 UTC

Via Shivon wrote:

TheGunslinger42 wrote:

I can't believe someone in goonswarm, the biggest force in eve, is crying over a single person being in system with him and begging for CCP to change mechanics over it.

Unless it's trolling. It's probably trolling.

first i am not crying
second im talking for myself and not my ally
third give me a just one tool to kill the ***** in the bomber when cloakt and i will change ship

Frying Doom wrote:

AFK alts don't block systems, they just mean you have to take care, like everyone in hi-sec who is mining, ratting ect with other people in the system.

really? give me killmails from high sec kills were ppl got blobbt by caps, supercaps, fleets in 20 seconds, thanks.

ok yes people die from hot drops in Null with of course the risk of dying themselves if a big enough fleet is near by or for that matter 1 guy with a cyno and friends.

Yes I would like to see cloaked ships removed from local and dedicated cloak hunting ships.

Oh and yes it does come across as crying Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Via Shivon

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#243 - 2012-08-23 11:20:06 UTC | Edited by: Via Shivon

TheGunslinger42 wrote:

Via Shivon wrote:

first i am not crying
second im talking for myself and not my ally
third give me a just one tool to kill the ***** in the bomber when cloakt and i will change ship

Grab one or two people from the 9000 spacefriends you have and you'll have a counter/defense.

Oh and we do what? bubble all gates for 2 weeks maybe he wants to go out of the system on day?
i have made 500m in 3 month ratting because its ******* boring, so i dont give a **** BUT i would love to kill those cloakys.
even with all 9000, how do you get him? baiting? shure if he is stupid...
secret: you can not find him

Frying Doom

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#244 - 2012-08-23 11:32:44 UTC

Via Shivon wrote:

TheGunslinger42 wrote:

Via Shivon wrote:

first i am not crying
second im talking for myself and not my ally
third give me a just one tool to kill the ***** in the bomber when cloakt and i will change ship

Grab one or two people from the 9000 spacefriends you have and you'll have a counter/defense.

Man you really sound like a whinny little ****.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Via Shivon

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#245 - 2012-08-23 11:34:39 UTC

Frying Doom wrote:

Via Shivon wrote:

TheGunslinger42 wrote:

Via Shivon wrote:

first i am not crying
second im talking for myself and not my ally
third give me a just one tool to kill the ***** in the bomber when cloakt and i will change ship

Grab one or two people from the 9000 spacefriends you have and you'll have a counter/defense.

Man you really sound like a whinny little ****.

so thats the rest of your arguments...

Frying Doom

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#246 - 2012-08-23 11:37:26 UTC

Via Shivon wrote:

Frying Doom wrote:

Via Shivon wrote:

TheGunslinger42 wrote:

Via Shivon wrote:

first i am not crying
second im talking for myself and not my ally
third give me a just one tool to kill the ***** in the bomber when cloakt and i will change ship

Grab one or two people from the 9000 spacefriends you have and you'll have a counter/defense.

Man you really sound like a whinny little ****.

so thats the rest of your arguments...

Argument? listening to how a cloaked ship scares you to the toilet every 5 minutes because he might hot drop your ratting ship with Dread and Supers.

That you sound like a whiny little **** is not an argument, it is a FACT.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Rats

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

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#247 - 2012-08-23 11:39:04 UTC

Via Shivon wrote:

Frying Doom wrote:

Via Shivon wrote:

TheGunslinger42 wrote:

Via Shivon wrote:

first i am not crying
second im talking for myself and not my ally
third give me a just one tool to kill the ***** in the bomber when cloakt and i will change ship

Grab one or two people from the 9000 spacefriends you have and you'll have a counter/defense.

Man you really sound like a whinny little ****.

so thats the rest of your arguments...

No it was more of a statement than an argument Big smile

Tal

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk


Via Shivon Likes received: 56	#248 - 2012-08-23 11:42:34 UTC Rats wrote: No it was more of a statement than an argument Tal i bet he is on of the "real man" sitting in a cloakt bomber showing ballz, and trading transporting on his main accounts doing market pvp, whatever nothing more to say in this thread.

Rats

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

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#249 - 2012-08-23 11:46:45 UTC

Via Shivon wrote:

Rats wrote:

No it was more of a statement than an argument Big smile

Tal

i bet he is on of the "real man" sitting in a cloakt bomber showing ballz, and trading transporting on his main accounts doing market pvp, whatever nothing more to say in this thread.

If hes sitting in a cloaked ship how can he be showing his ballz ? surely they are cloaked as well ?

Tal

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk

Frying Doom

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#250 - 2012-08-23 11:49:28 UTC

Via Shivon wrote:

Rats wrote:

No it was more of a statement than an argument Big smile

Tal

i bet he is on of the "real man" sitting in a cloakt bomber showing ballz, and trading transporting on his main accounts doing market pvp, whatever nothing more to say in this thread.

I was going to berate you on your kill board but according to Battle Clinic you actually have 4 kills out of 601 with less han 10 people on it.

But then again on the other 597 kills way to press F1 Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

McPod

Tier Four Technologies

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#251 - 2012-08-23 11:55:23 UTC | Edited by: McPod

Chatte Noire wrote:

As a pubbie, I have to ask: is this fuzz about afk-cloakers just about seeing a non-blue name in local and fearing that every second, this cloaker could come back to the keyboard and stalk you? Honest question.

known hotdroppers will come into a system and sit cloaked for days effectively shutting down that system . still, in null people typically have many options, there are other systems that can be used for pve. wh operations of any kind would not work well with the cloak nerf described by op. the forumdwellers should criticize the idea and not the person, and some manners wouldnt hurt either.

Statch Deka

Doomheim

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#252 - 2012-08-23 12:17:23 UTC | Edited by: Statch Deka

Just make special probes that take a high skill, something V to use that can pick up cloaky ships that are NOT MOVING. Meaning if a cloaky is truely AFK and hiding in a safe they'll be picked up pretty fast. If they are on the move the chances of catching them is much harder.

It should be a more of a strategic setup to catch a cloak. Like T3 ship or some advanced Logi with some V skill. Not a noob in a Probe with a launcher and probes.

TheGunslinger42

All Web Investigations

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#253 - 2012-08-23 12:21:17 UTC

Via Shivon wrote:

TheGunslinger42 wrote:

Via Shivon wrote:

first i am not crying
second im talking for myself and not my ally
third give me a just one tool to kill the ***** in the bomber when cloakt and i will change ship

Grab one or two people from the 9000 spacefriends you have and you'll have a counter/defense.

Bubbling the gates is one option, but you can do a few other things too. You can move system to rat. You can rat in your own system anyway but be prepared (pvp fit, stay aligned, have friends in pvp/logistics ships ready and waiting), etc.

You have a lot of things you can do that will make him much less of a threat. Tears aren't one of them, so dry your eyes mate and man up.

And again, having a way to find/kill cloaking ships is a terrible idea and destroys the roles those ships are meant to fill. It also destroys all of wormhole space, which is funnily enough the area in which cloaky ships are the most dangerous. Yet the manly men who live in wormholes manage just fine. No local? No problem.

Alavaria Fera

GoonWaffe

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#254 - 2012-08-23 12:23:48 UTC

McPod wrote:

It's always hotdrop o clock ^___^

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

3,578
Josef Djugashvilis Likes received: 3,578	#255 - 2012-08-23 12:27:28 UTC Given how often this topic comes up, I was just wondering, has anyone said anything which has not been said several times before in the previous threads? This is not a signature.

Frying Doom

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#256 - 2012-08-23 12:28:06 UTC

Alavaria Fera wrote:

McPod wrote:

It's always hotdrop o clock ^___^

Clear skies really should get some funding from CCP, so entertaining Smile

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Pinky Denmark

The Cursed Navy

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#257 - 2012-08-23 13:58:20 UTC

AFK cloaking is a term/concept used for people in Eve mostly afk...

When people use this term it doesn't strictly mean those people are 100% always afk, but no point in calling them "often afk most of the time and sometimes attacking people if they find a right target cloakers"?
It's how the term is used and splitting words is as pointless as insisting factories put cats in their "cat food" or not to call small yellow sticky labels for "post-its" if they are made by another company.

So why not keep the discussion as clean, objective and on topic as possible?

Obviously no reason to make everything more difficult for people actively using cloaking in their activities, however claiming that afk cloakers not gaining an advantage while being afk cloaked is simply wrong:

As mentioned afk cloakers are never 100% always afk. but even while afk they ARE being rewarded:

People might stay docked due to fear - the afk cloaker are denying income to the enemy = reward
People get frustrated and give the cloaker an edge if he starts looking for kills. Easier kills = reward
Have the enemy waste time trying to counter you while virtually 100% safe wears down the enemy = reward

Patience is a huge factor in Eve but an afk cloaker doesn't have a time factor against him like people being cut off from activity. Yes the afk cloaker might not get isk and kills while actually afk, but the more he is afk the easier it is when he is actively chasing targets...

Pinky

TheGunslinger42

All Web Investigations

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#258 - 2012-08-23 14:04:32 UTC

Pinky Denmark wrote:

People might stay docked due to fear - the afk cloaker are denying income to the enemy = reward
People get frustrated and give the cloaker an edge if he starts looking for kills. Easier kills = reward
Have the enemy waste time trying to counter you while virtually 100% safe wears down the enemy = reward

It isn't a broken game mechanic that gives him those "advantages" though, it's the "so stupid I can't believe they manage to breathe unassisted" nullbears handing them it on a silver platter. The mechanics are fine, and there is no need to adjust them (and every proposal so far has been atrocious and would break huge parts of the game). The thing that is broken is the pathetic psyches of the nullbears. CCP can't be expected to fix that though.

Doomheim 42
Butzewutze Doomheim Likes received: 42	#259 - 2012-08-23 14:36:10 UTC Victoria Dallocort wrote: AFK clockers have just one specific function, and its that someone who is not playing at that time, can **** up the game experience of someone who is. . How does that work? How can someone that isn't playing disrupt your game?


Butzewutze Doomheim Likes received: 42	#260 - 2012-08-23 14:43:56 UTC \| Edited by: Butzewutze Via Shivonyeah wrote: shure more easy kills for pvp noobs. dont call ganking a pve ship pvp... It is PVP because Its not the cloakers fault if you don't prepare yourself.

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