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Josef Djugashvilis
#221 - 2012-08-22 23:24:15 UTC
Dear Victoria, if you suspect that a cloaked ship pilot may be afk, may I suggest that you use the petition system to alert CCP to the situation in order that they can take appropriate action.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#222 - 2012-08-22 23:45:20 UTC
Lord Arakkis wrote:
can someone help me understand the problem with afk cloakers? I mean, whats wrong with cloaking somewhere in space so you cant get them as opposed to them being docked, where you still cant get them?

Failure to see the issue, so maybe im missing a point

Well for one, in nullsec, you can't dock because they won't let non-blues dock.

But really, it's a lot of people trying to make a fuss, and then a few that poke their head in with the customary "just nerf local, hah!"

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#223 - 2012-08-23 02:09:24 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Dear Victoria, if you suspect that a cloaked ship pilot may be afk, may I suggest that you use the petition system to alert CCP to the situation in order that they can take appropriate action.

Come on now, they get enough frivolous petitions as it is.

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Frying Doom
#224 - 2012-08-23 02:11:38 UTC
James 315 wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Dear Victoria, if you suspect that a cloaked ship pilot may be afk, may I suggest that you use the petition system to alert CCP to the situation in order that they can take appropriate action.

Come on now, they get enough frivolous petitions as it is.

Yes but then they can come to the forums and whine about the petition waiting times.Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#225 - 2012-08-23 02:15:40 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
James 315 wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Dear Victoria, if you suspect that a cloaked ship pilot may be afk, may I suggest that you use the petition system to alert CCP to the situation in order that they can take appropriate action.

Come on now, they get enough frivolous petitions as it is.

Yes but then they can come to the forums and whine about the petition waiting times.Lol

heh

Now there's an idea, whine about petitions on the forum, and put forums posts into petitions!

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Regan Rotineque
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#226 - 2012-08-23 04:32:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Regan Rotineque
The solution to cloaks is to have cloak busters

Just like the subs of the first two world wars. Specialized ships were created to hunt down these unseen enemies.

Give me depth charges (well a space version) or some form of ASDIC and let me ping for them.

Give them limited weaponry other than the charges and the extensive electronic gear to anti cloak hunt and bobs yer uncle.

I can see roving gangs of anti croakers roaming eve.

~R~
Via Shivon
#227 - 2012-08-23 09:13:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Via Shivon
Frying Doom wrote:
[quote=Lord Arakkis]
So yeah this thread is yet another good reason to just let cloakers not appear on local. They can't see him, therefore they don't know he is there. The upside is of course more PvP in Null and that will cause mineral prices to rise as the macks get destroyed in Null.



yeah shure more easy kills for pvp noobs.
dont call ganking a pve ship pvp...


do it so alt's will go back to highsec doing missions and stop ratting = more reward on mission with allot lower risk
Frying Doom
#228 - 2012-08-23 09:30:13 UTC
Via Shivon wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
[quote=Lord Arakkis]
So yeah this thread is yet another good reason to just let cloakers not appear on local. They can't see him, therefore they don't know he is there. The upside is of course more PvP in Null and that will cause mineral prices to rise as the macks get destroyed in Null.



yeah shure more easy kills for pvp noobs.
dont call ganking a pve ship pvp...


do it so alt's will go back to highsec doing missions and stop ratting = more reward on mission with allot lower risk

Yeah Hi-sec is so safe in most systems you cannot easily tell the wolf from the sheep, unlike Null where you instantly know and can attack/ run away if there in a neutral in local.

And people wonder why Nullbears are made fun of more than carebears.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Via Shivon
#229 - 2012-08-23 09:34:49 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Via Shivon wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
[quote=Lord Arakkis]
So yeah this thread is yet another good reason to just let cloakers not appear on local. They can't see him, therefore they don't know he is there. The upside is of course more PvP in Null and that will cause mineral prices to rise as the macks get destroyed in Null.



yeah shure more easy kills for pvp noobs.
dont call ganking a pve ship pvp...


do it so alt's will go back to highsec doing missions and stop ratting = more reward on mission with allot lower risk

Yeah Hi-sec is so safe in most systems you cannot easily tell the wolf from the sheep, unlike Null where you instantly know and can attack/ run away if there in a neutral in local.

And people wonder why Nullbears are made fun of more than carebears.


lol...

1 year in high sec with 1 account ZERO ganks/loss in a 3b ship...just stupid noobs loose 3b ships in high sec
go ratt 1 year with a neut in system with a 3b ship and tell me than how much ganks/loss you have in 0.0
ratting with a 3b ship with a neut is stupid noob allso... dont tell me 0.0 players than should rat in drakes...they would earn more in high sec missions...
Yui Okane-Mochi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#230 - 2012-08-23 09:36:08 UTC
Would like cloaks to run on cap charges or some other fuel.

Prevents 23.5/7 afk cloaking but will not interfere with roams. 60s cooldown on charge reload needed every 30m to 1hr.

Endurance would vary with cap charge size.

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Maggeridon Thoraz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#231 - 2012-08-23 09:58:21 UTC
this whole afk cloaking is getting ridiculous. the game mechanic is ok. and does not need to be changed. what to be changed are the personsn behavour complaining about.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#232 - 2012-08-23 10:09:07 UTC
Victoria Dallocort wrote:
OK, clearly some people are really dumb and need this explained cause they cant figure it out.

Boys, Girls, the problem with AFK cloakers, is not that they are dangerous. They are AFK, mmmkey? they cant do anything being AFK. The problem is, you cant tell appart an AFK cloaker from an active cloaker. The active cloaker will **** you up. So you treat both of them, the same way.

Garreth Vlox wrote:

If he is currently ******* you up then he was not AFK cloaked but just cloaked waiting for you to make a dumb.


If someone is playing cloaked, staying that way hours waiting for the right moment. He has my respect, and if he gets me, then good for him.
Its not with him i got a problem.

Its with the guy that cloaks and pretends to be him, while he is not even playing.

admiral root wrote:
Victoria Dallocort wrote:
The whole idea of AFK cloaking, is the risk of a hotdrop when they get you. Thats the whole point of it. If you ignore the AFK cloaker, he can and likely will **** you up.


Please explain to the class how an AFK cloaker can do this.


Well, its pretty simple, an active cloaker hunting for targets, will do that to you. An AFK cloaker, pretends to be an active cloaker, while he is not.

If CCP makes AFK cloaking impossible, then you would know that if a neut/red is cloaked in your system, someone is flying that ship. You still get ******, but by another player, and that is 100% true to eve.

Its really amazing how many people read "AFK cloakers" as "cloakers".
AFK <--- Thats the importan bit you dumbasses.

CCP should take action to make ANY AFK activity impossible.


By definition afk activities are impossible. The reason people interpret "AFK Cloaker" as "cloaker" is because of the dishonesty of nullbears. AFK cloakers are a none issue, they pose no threat. They are literally incapable of doing anything. There is no discussion to be had about them. The thing that causes the tears is the fact that little terrible nullbears don't have free, infallible intel to tell them if they are 100% safe or not. Well tough god damn ****. That's part of living in nullsec. Deal with it or go back to hello kitty hisec.
Frying Doom
#233 - 2012-08-23 10:19:04 UTC
Via Shivon wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Via Shivon wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
[quote=Lord Arakkis]
So yeah this thread is yet another good reason to just let cloakers not appear on local. They can't see him, therefore they don't know he is there. The upside is of course more PvP in Null and that will cause mineral prices to rise as the macks get destroyed in Null.



yeah shure more easy kills for pvp noobs.
dont call ganking a pve ship pvp...


do it so alt's will go back to highsec doing missions and stop ratting = more reward on mission with allot lower risk

Yeah Hi-sec is so safe in most systems you cannot easily tell the wolf from the sheep, unlike Null where you instantly know and can attack/ run away if there in a neutral in local.

And people wonder why Nullbears are made fun of more than carebears.


lol...

1 year in high sec with 1 account ZERO ganks/loss in a 3b ship...just stupid noobs loose 3b ships in high sec
go ratt 1 year with a neut in system with a 3b ship and tell me than how much ganks/loss you have in 0.0
ratting with a 3b ship with a neut is stupid noob allso... dont tell me 0.0 players than should rat in drakes...they would earn more in high sec missions...


Ummm I'm not stupid enough to fly around anywhere in a 3 billion isk ship

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#234 - 2012-08-23 10:24:08 UTC
Cloaker whine threads make me respect the hisec bears more than nullbears. At least the hisec bears are honest about their risk aversion, the nullbears will never admit that they aren't h4rdc0re pr0s living in dangerous nullsec and are in fact some of the biggest and greediest cowards and crybabies going. If you want the rewards of living in nullsec, deal with the risks. That includes not knowing what that neutral in local is up to, and if he's a threat. Stop crying for CCP to turn nullsec into hell0.0kitty
Via Shivon
#235 - 2012-08-23 10:24:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Via Shivon
TheGunslinger42 wrote:


By definition afk activities are impossible. The reason people interpret "AFK Cloaker" as "cloaker" is because of the dishonesty of nullbears. AFK cloakers are a none issue, they pose no threat. They are literally incapable of doing anything. There is no discussion to be had about them. The thing that causes the tears is the fact that little terrible nullbears don't have free, infallible intel to tell them if they are 100% safe or not. Well tough god damn ****. That's part of living in nullsec. Deal with it or go back to hello kitty hisec.



wow so much smartasses...
yeah i can understand how cool it must be in a game, to be 100% invisible, to be 100% invincible with just 1 high slot mod for zero costs using it.

ok afk cloaker is not the problem - because afk is afk


permacloaker are a problem with 0 risk, just to **** off other ppl playing eve and 99% of the time they even are afk and should be kickt from the server after 5 minutes.
other thing would be a tool (ship, modul, structure) to detect them if they dont move


TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Cloaker whine threads make me respect the hisec bears more than nullbears. At least the hisec bears are honest about their risk aversion, the nullbears will never admit that they aren't h4rdc0re pr0s living in dangerous nullsec and are in fact some of the biggest and greediest cowards and crybabies going. If you want the rewards of living in nullsec, deal with the risks. That includes not knowing what that neutral in local is up to, and if he's a threat. Stop crying for CCP to turn nullsec into hell0.0kitty


The reward ratting vs L4 mission is what?
The reward mining abc vs veldspar is what?
...so OK go move mining to 0.0, cut the L4 missions by 75% income, than we are fine and you will never ever read anymore whining about a cloaky in a system afk blocking. we have the risk AND the reward.

Nobody is talking abaut hellokitty, getting killt bye fleets, solo ships whatever. but afk alts blocking systems is bullshit
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#236 - 2012-08-23 10:30:30 UTC
Via Shivon wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:


By definition afk activities are impossible. The reason people interpret "AFK Cloaker" as "cloaker" is because of the dishonesty of nullbears. AFK cloakers are a none issue, they pose no threat. They are literally incapable of doing anything. There is no discussion to be had about them. The thing that causes the tears is the fact that little terrible nullbears don't have free, infallible intel to tell them if they are 100% safe or not. Well tough god damn ****. That's part of living in nullsec. Deal with it or go back to hello kitty hisec.



wow so much smartasses...
yeah i can understand how cool it must be in a game, to be 100% invisible, to be 100% invincible with just 1 high slot mod for zero costs using it.

ok afk cloaker is not the problem - because afk is afk


permacloaker are a problem with 0 risk, just to **** off other ppl playing eve and 99% of the time they even are afk and should be kickt from the server after 5 minutes.
other thing would be a tool (ship, modul, structure) to detect them if they dont move


The trade-off for them being invincible and invisible is the fact that they literally cannot do anything to anyone while cloaked. The only reason you want the ability to decloak them, or for them to be kicked off the server, or whatever stupid nerfs you propose is because you're a coward. Admit that you're a coward and you want the rewards of nullsec while also having a guarantee of your own safety, because any other crap you say is simply dishonest, and we all see right through it.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#237 - 2012-08-23 10:35:31 UTC
Via Shivon wrote:
Nobody is talking abaut hellokitty, getting killt bye fleets, solo ships whatever. but afk alts blocking systems is bullshit


Say it with me, friend: AFK players are literally incapable of doing anything.

They cannot kill you.
They cannot shut down a system.
They cannot even wave in local and laugh at your tears.

If you choose to dock/pos up because there is a single neutral in system, that is a decision you made. You have no right to complain about that cloaked/afk/whatever player. You made your choice (to sit there crying in a corner instead of doing one of the dozen different things you could have done instead), now live with it.
Frying Doom
#238 - 2012-08-23 10:37:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Via Shivon wrote:


The reward ratting vs L4 mission is what?
The reward mining abc vs veldspar is what?
...so OK go move mining to 0.0, cut the L4 missions by 75% income, than we are fine and you will never ever read anymore whining about a cloaky in a system afk blocking. we have the risk AND the reward.

Nobody is talking abaut hellokitty, getting killt bye fleets, solo ships whatever. but afk alts blocking systems is bullshit

If ratting was meant to be a great isk/hr reward don't you think they would spawn more often?

The price of ABCs and veldspar is determined by supply and demand, it is after all a player driven economy. If you think the price of ABCs is to low maybe you should get a cloaked ship and start killing Null sec miners.....Oh thats right you can't kill many because most will see you in local and run for the station....

AFK alts don't block systems, they just mean you have to take care, like everyone in hi-sec who is mining, ratting ect with other people in the system.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#239 - 2012-08-23 10:45:33 UTC
I can't believe someone in goonswarm, the biggest force in eve, is crying over a single person being in system with him and begging for CCP to change mechanics over it.

Unless it's trolling. It's probably trolling.
Via Shivon
#240 - 2012-08-23 10:59:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Via Shivon
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
I can't believe someone in goonswarm, the biggest force in eve, is crying over a single person being in system with him and begging for CCP to change mechanics over it.

Unless it's trolling. It's probably trolling.


first i am not crying
second im talking for myself and not my ally
third give me a just one tool to kill the pussy in the bomber when cloakt and i will change ship

Frying Doom wrote:


AFK alts don't block systems, they just mean you have to take care, like everyone in hi-sec who is mining, ratting ect with other people in the system.



really? give me killmails from high sec kills were ppl got blobbt by caps, supercaps, fleets in 20 seconds, thanks.