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thebarry
7-2 Ronin
#1 - 2012-08-03 22:10:25 UTC
Now that Minmi faction warfare is at tier 1, how expensive do you think the Stabber Fleet Issue might get? I see it's already up to 60m from 52ish in Jita.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#2 - 2012-08-03 22:13:55 UTC
I just want you to know that I hope you lose your shirt.

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fofofo
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-08-04 17:37:06 UTC
corestwo wrote:
I just want you to know that I hope you lose your shirt.


I'll lose the shirt for you, baby Blink

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Jim Roebuck
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-08-05 03:16:50 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
corestwo wrote:
I just want you to know that I hope you lose your shirt.


I'll lose the shirt for you, baby Blink



Please keep it on.

When Bon Scott died and he appeared before St. Peter at the gates of Heaven, St. Peter looked at his record and told him he couldn't get in. Just then, God screams at Peter, "Let him in, Karen Carpenter is driving me nuts. I want to hear some music with balls. We'll haggle over the paperwork later." At least I hope that's what happened.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#5 - 2012-08-05 03:26:57 UTC
To elaborate on what thebarry is thinking, Minmatar only have Tier 1. This on its own does not matter, because the name of the game in a farming situation like Minmatar are in now is to farm up a bunch of LP, buy Tier 4 or 5, and cash out.

Now, the more important potential development here is that Minmatar appear to have around half their systems vulnerable. Between yesterday and today, Amarr secured one of those. What you want to look for is Amarr continuing to flip those systems. If they can capture at least 15 systems, then Minmatar can no longer achieve Tier 5, and if Amarr can secure 29, Minmatar lose the ability to achieve Tier 4.

So, that's what to look for - Minmatar systems cascading. Until then, Tier 1 doesn't matter.

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fofofo
thebarry
7-2 Ronin
#6 - 2012-08-05 05:17:08 UTC  |  Edited by: thebarry
corestwo wrote:
To elaborate on what thebarry is thinking, Minmatar only have Tier 1. This on its own does not matter, because the name of the game in a farming situation like Minmatar are in now is to farm up a bunch of LP, buy Tier 4 or 5, and cash out.

Now, the more important potential development here is that Minmatar appear to have around half their systems vulnerable. Between yesterday and today, Amarr secured one of those. What you want to look for is Amarr continuing to flip those systems. If they can capture at least 15 systems, then Minmatar can no longer achieve Tier 5, and if Amarr can secure 29, Minmatar lose the ability to achieve Tier 4.

So, that's what to look for - Minmatar systems cascading. Until then, Tier 1 doesn't matter.


Ignore this guy, he is just butthurt that he spent so much time and effort exploiting bad ccp code for LP that he missed an obvious way to make isks honestly from the new faction warfare mechanics. Republic Fleet Firetails should also skyrocket btw, just like Imperial Navy Slicers did when corestwo and friends were exploiting faction warfare to make minmi overpowered, which resulted in the Amarr Faction dropping to tier 1, which in turn resulted in Slicer prices pretty much tripling.
Smodab Ongalot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-08-05 07:20:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Smodab Ongalot
thebarry wrote:


Ignore this guy, he is just butthurt that he spent so much time and effort exploiting bad ccp code for LP that he missed an obvious way to make isks honestly from the new faction warfare mechanics. Republic Fleet Firetails should also skyrocket btw, just like Imperial Navy Slicers did when corestwo and friends were exploiting faction warfare to make minmi overpowered, which resulted in the Amarr Faction dropping to tier 1, which in turn resulted in Slicer prices pretty much tripling.



You don't understand how faction warfare works. Tier is based on a total number of points. This total number of points is based on the number of capture systems + the level of upgrade of said systems. The number of captured systems changes somewhat slowly; IIRC it takes 40hrs of uninterrupted plexing and a bunker bust to flip a system. The level of system upgrade, on the other hand, is based on the number of LP put into the ihub by fw pilots. This LP is removed when the opposing faction completes plexes in that system. I'm not sure specifically how long it takes to plex down full upgrade, but it's relatively short. Hours, maybe...

As a result, factions let their systems degrade to tier 1 until it's time for "tier 5 day". Then, on tier 5 day, systems are upgraded till tier 5, people cash out, then everyone quits upgrading systems till next month.

And when I say cash out, I mean cash out. It's relatively common to hear comments like "man, it's gonna be a pain to move these 100 fleet stabbers" or "I hope I don't get ganked with my 100 +5 implants".

As long as galmatar have enough systems to achieve tier 5, you can expect cheap LP store stuffs.
thebarry
7-2 Ronin
#8 - 2012-08-05 07:53:48 UTC
Smodab Ongalot wrote:
thebarry wrote:


Ignore this guy, he is just butthurt that he spent so much time and effort exploiting bad ccp code for LP that he missed an obvious way to make isks honestly from the new faction warfare mechanics. Republic Fleet Firetails should also skyrocket btw, just like Imperial Navy Slicers did when corestwo and friends were exploiting faction warfare to make minmi overpowered, which resulted in the Amarr Faction dropping to tier 1, which in turn resulted in Slicer prices pretty much tripling.



You don't understand how faction warfare works. Tier is based on a total number of points. This total number of points is based on the number of capture systems + the level of upgrade of said systems. The number of captured systems changes somewhat slowly; IIRC it takes 40hrs of uninterrupted plexing and a bunker bust to flip a system. The level of system upgrade, on the other hand, is based on the number of LP put into the ihub by fw pilots. This LP is removed when the opposing faction completes plexes in that system. I'm not sure specifically how long it takes to plex down full upgrade, but it's relatively short. Hours, maybe...

As a result, factions let their systems degrade to tier 1 until it's time for "tier 5 day". Then, on tier 5 day, systems are upgraded till tier 5, people cash out, then everyone quits upgrading systems till next month.

And when I say cash out, I mean cash out. It's relatively common to hear comments like "man, it's gonna be a pain to move these 100 fleet stabbers" or "I hope I don't get ganked with my 100 +5 implants".

As long as galmatar have enough systems to achieve tier 5, you can expect cheap LP store stuffs.



No, you don't understand.
Jacabon Mere
Capital Storm.
Out of the Blue.
#9 - 2012-08-05 13:15:18 UTC
thebarry wrote:



No, you don't understand.


Where is the "this idiot is trolling" button

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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#10 - 2012-08-05 17:17:44 UTC
thebarry wrote:
Ignore this guy, he is just butthurt that he spent so much time and effort exploiting bad ccp code for LP that he missed an obvious way to make isks honestly from the new faction warfare mechanics. Republic Fleet Firetails should also skyrocket btw, just like Imperial Navy Slicers did when corestwo and friends were exploiting faction warfare to make minmi overpowered, which resulted in the Amarr Faction dropping to tier 1, which in turn resulted in Slicer prices pretty much tripling.


Amarr was stuck at Tier 1 long before we came along, sorry. And I can't hear your squalling of honesty over my pile of 300b that I kept uninvolved in the romp through the FW field.


Anyone reading this thread should keep in mind that thebarry is staking about 8b isk on him being right, or at least people dumber than him reading the thread and overreacting. Blink

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
thebarry
7-2 Ronin
#11 - 2012-08-05 20:08:19 UTC  |  Edited by: thebarry
corestwo wrote:
thebarry wrote:
Ignore this guy, he is just butthurt that he spent so much time and effort exploiting bad ccp code for LP that he missed an obvious way to make isks honestly from the new faction warfare mechanics. Republic Fleet Firetails should also skyrocket btw, just like Imperial Navy Slicers did when corestwo and friends were exploiting faction warfare to make minmi overpowered, which resulted in the Amarr Faction dropping to tier 1, which in turn resulted in Slicer prices pretty much tripling.


Amarr was stuck at Tier 1 long before we came along, sorry. And I can't hear your squalling of honesty over my pile of 300b that I kept uninvolved in the romp through the FW field.


Anyone reading this thread should keep in mind that thebarry is staking about 8b isk on him being right, or at least people dumber than him reading the thread and overreacting. Blink


They should also note that, like most douchebags, you cannot stand anyone else making isks, and will do what you can to interfere Smile

WOW look at those sfi prices going up up up!
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#12 - 2012-08-05 20:33:09 UTC
more like making fun of you for your obvious attempts at pump & dump (even if it's a valid spike) is entertaining.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#13 - 2012-08-06 02:34:18 UTC
U all Mad bro's?
thebarry
7-2 Ronin
#14 - 2012-08-06 10:04:50 UTC
Kara Books wrote:
U all Mad bro's?


i'm p mad, bro.
Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-08-06 14:48:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarik Olecar
Screw SFI's, what we should all be buying right now is Nanoribbons. My uncles friends neighbours talking dogs original owner had a kid who interned with CCP, and he told him that the drop rates are going to get stealthnerfed...

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Oblong Chunk
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-08-08 12:22:12 UTC
Smodab Ongalot wrote:
thebarry wrote:


Ignore this guy, he is just butthurt that he spent so much time and effort exploiting bad ccp code for LP that he missed an obvious way to make isks honestly from the new faction warfare mechanics. Republic Fleet Firetails should also skyrocket btw, just like Imperial Navy Slicers did when corestwo and friends were exploiting faction warfare to make minmi overpowered, which resulted in the Amarr Faction dropping to tier 1, which in turn resulted in Slicer prices pretty much tripling.



You don't understand how faction warfare works. Tier is based on a total number of points. This total number of points is based on the number of capture systems + the level of upgrade of said systems. The number of captured systems changes somewhat slowly; IIRC it takes 40hrs of uninterrupted plexing and a bunker bust to flip a system. The level of system upgrade, on the other hand, is based on the number of LP put into the ihub by fw pilots. This LP is removed when the opposing faction completes plexes in that system. I'm not sure specifically how long it takes to plex down full upgrade, but it's relatively short. Hours, maybe...

As a result, factions let their systems degrade to tier 1 until it's time for "tier 5 day". Then, on tier 5 day, systems are upgraded till tier 5, people cash out, then everyone quits upgrading systems till next month.

And when I say cash out, I mean cash out. It's relatively common to hear comments like "man, it's gonna be a pain to move these 100 fleet stabbers" or "I hope I don't get ganked with my 100 +5 implants".

As long as galmatar have enough systems to achieve tier 5, you can expect cheap LP store stuffs.


Errm. Let me explain this. Amarr is keeping the minmatar systems on vulnerable so they can farm plexes ( while minmatar can only do missions or plexes in hi-populated systems), then on t5 day nulli will form a big geddon fleet and flip all the systems
Lucy Oreless
Rise of Rephaim
#17 - 2012-08-08 20:51:58 UTC
Sarik Olecar wrote:
Screw SFI's, what we should all be buying right now is Nanoribbons. My uncles friends neighbours talking dogs original owner had a kid who interned with CCP, and he told him that the drop rates are going to get stealthnerfed...


Really? 2 of them? Shocked And what happened to the kid since he is past tense? Surely not another CCP Hamster-accident?

 I did not have sexual relations to THAT woman....
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#18 - 2012-08-08 21:54:10 UTC  |  Edited by: corestwo
Oblong Chunk wrote:
Smodab Ongalot wrote:
thebarry wrote:


Ignore this guy, he is just butthurt that he spent so much time and effort exploiting bad ccp code for LP that he missed an obvious way to make isks honestly from the new faction warfare mechanics. Republic Fleet Firetails should also skyrocket btw, just like Imperial Navy Slicers did when corestwo and friends were exploiting faction warfare to make minmi overpowered, which resulted in the Amarr Faction dropping to tier 1, which in turn resulted in Slicer prices pretty much tripling.



You don't understand how faction warfare works. Tier is based on a total number of points. This total number of points is based on the number of capture systems + the level of upgrade of said systems. The number of captured systems changes somewhat slowly; IIRC it takes 40hrs of uninterrupted plexing and a bunker bust to flip a system. The level of system upgrade, on the other hand, is based on the number of LP put into the ihub by fw pilots. This LP is removed when the opposing faction completes plexes in that system. I'm not sure specifically how long it takes to plex down full upgrade, but it's relatively short. Hours, maybe...

As a result, factions let their systems degrade to tier 1 until it's time for "tier 5 day". Then, on tier 5 day, systems are upgraded till tier 5, people cash out, then everyone quits upgrading systems till next month.

And when I say cash out, I mean cash out. It's relatively common to hear comments like "man, it's gonna be a pain to move these 100 fleet stabbers" or "I hope I don't get ganked with my 100 +5 implants".

As long as galmatar have enough systems to achieve tier 5, you can expect cheap LP store stuffs.


Errm. Let me explain this. Amarr is keeping the minmatar systems on vulnerable so they can farm plexes ( while minmatar can only do missions or plexes in hi-populated systems), then on t5 day nulli will form a big geddon fleet and flip all the systems

The fact that it's been held that way for as long as it has makes me regard it as legit.


Of course, datacores are far more interesting than SFIs anyway. sub-100k/core was all well and dandy when the cores cost 25k to buy at Tier 4, but they cost 200k to buy at tier 1...

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
thebarry
7-2 Ronin
#19 - 2012-08-09 03:06:21 UTC
corestwo wrote:
Oblong Chunk wrote:
Smodab Ongalot wrote:
thebarry wrote:


Ignore this guy, he is just butthurt that he spent so much time and effort exploiting bad ccp code for LP that he missed an obvious way to make isks honestly from the new faction warfare mechanics. Republic Fleet Firetails should also skyrocket btw, just like Imperial Navy Slicers did when corestwo and friends were exploiting faction warfare to make minmi overpowered, which resulted in the Amarr Faction dropping to tier 1, which in turn resulted in Slicer prices pretty much tripling.



You don't understand how faction warfare works. Tier is based on a total number of points. This total number of points is based on the number of capture systems + the level of upgrade of said systems. The number of captured systems changes somewhat slowly; IIRC it takes 40hrs of uninterrupted plexing and a bunker bust to flip a system. The level of system upgrade, on the other hand, is based on the number of LP put into the ihub by fw pilots. This LP is removed when the opposing faction completes plexes in that system. I'm not sure specifically how long it takes to plex down full upgrade, but it's relatively short. Hours, maybe...

As a result, factions let their systems degrade to tier 1 until it's time for "tier 5 day". Then, on tier 5 day, systems are upgraded till tier 5, people cash out, then everyone quits upgrading systems till next month.

And when I say cash out, I mean cash out. It's relatively common to hear comments like "man, it's gonna be a pain to move these 100 fleet stabbers" or "I hope I don't get ganked with my 100 +5 implants".

As long as galmatar have enough systems to achieve tier 5, you can expect cheap LP store stuffs.


Errm. Let me explain this. Amarr is keeping the minmatar systems on vulnerable so they can farm plexes ( while minmatar can only do missions or plexes in hi-populated systems), then on t5 day nulli will form a big geddon fleet and flip all the systems

The fact that it's been held that way for as long as it has makes me regard it as legit.


Of course, datacores are far more interesting than SFIs anyway. sub-100k/core was all well and dandy when the cores cost 25k to buy at Tier 4, but they cost 200k to buy at tier 1...



Can't you get those from other agents tho? Also look how cheap sfi still are! Some noobs must have missed the memo lol.
Tom Hagen
Twilight Empire
#20 - 2012-08-09 05:43:25 UTC
I feel the need to log in and buy all the SFI out there.
I mean, when I cant trust a guy who shares hes ISK making opportunities on the EVE forum, then I know the apocalypse must be near.
I also believe that it is a myth, that people are trying to use the forum to create a hype or a trend in the market... It has never happen and never will :-P
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