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[Proposal] Vote of no confidence System

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Jouron
Hadon Shipping
#1 - 2012-08-03 13:47:56 UTC
After reading the CSM minutes it seemed that the CSM wanted a way to eject inactive members from Council and they could not come to an agreement with CCP for a proper system to do so.

I suggest a vote of no confidence system.

A CSM member would put together a document explaining in detail why a vote of no confidence should be held for a specific council member and present it to the chairman for review.

This document must have many legitimate reasons why a vote of no confidence should be held. It should be held for purely functional and not political reasons for why a council member should be subject to the vote. It should be held for reasons like but not limited to:
Does not attend meetings
Has attempted to interfere with CSM communications to the community
Does not contribute on the CSM forums
Does not attend skype
And must have irrefutable proof of these absences or transgressions.

The chairman then decides weather or not to hold the vote of no confidence. If he/she agrees he/she then holds the vote of no confidence with all Council members with the exception of the member for which the vote is being held. The person for which the vote of no confidence is being held must be informed of this imminent threat to there position before and when the vote is being held. All council members must render a single Aye or Neh response. The Councils decision must be completely unanimous. If all are Ayes, then the Chairman presents the document that was the list of reasons for the vote of no confidence to CCP for the final ruling. If CCP agrees that the member is a non contributing member on the council then the vote of no confidence is passed and a Run off is held for the persons seat on the Council. In this run off the person who has received the vote of no confidence can rerun to re attain there seat on the council.

This system has so many checks and balances present it would be very difficult for a council member to be ejected for political and not functional reasons. This would bring an extra layer of accountability to council members. This system gives CCP a final word on weather or not a CSM member can be removed from the council.
Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-08-10 12:03:09 UTC
I have no confidence that this kind of thing would work. It's too easy to game.

Annoying as it is, if a member of the CSM is being a disruptive douche but is staying within the NDA / TOS / EULA, then he's probably doing a good job representing a certain constituency... Twisted

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Kithrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-08-10 18:41:18 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
I have no confidence that this kind of thing would work. It's too easy to game.

Annoying as it is, if a member of the CSM is being a disruptive douche but is staying within the NDA / TOS / EULA, then he's probably doing a good job representing a certain constituency... Twisted


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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#4 - 2012-08-10 22:22:21 UTC
I have no confidence in the CSM, does that count?

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Terra Infector Adoudel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-08-13 18:29:08 UTC
How about a player vote of no confidence? If you could get, say, half of the people who voted in the last CSM election to vote to remove a member.
Pasta OfDoom
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-08-22 04:16:43 UTC
Can i vote for no confidence in OP?
Jouron
Hadon Shipping
#7 - 2012-08-22 14:12:31 UTC
Pasta OfDoom wrote:
Can i vote for no confidence in OP?


Sure.

Most Parliaments have a vote of no confidence system. I honestly thought this would contribute to the legitimacy of the CSM adding another control to it.

If it doesn't work I guess it doesn't work.
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#8 - 2012-08-24 14:53:28 UTC
Jouron wrote:
Pasta OfDoom wrote:
Can i vote for no confidence in OP?


Sure.

Most Parliaments have a vote of no confidence system. I honestly thought this would contribute to the legitimacy of the CSM adding another control to it.

If it doesn't work I guess it doesn't work.


Vote of no confidence systems within government usually consist of the elected chambers voting. So in this case it would have to be a mechanism where only CSM members can VONC other CSM members. Even then there are strict rules, like 66% of members voting in favour of the VONC.


The problem with player VONC is that they never work well. Let me use a personal example as the following:

I was elected General Secretary of my students union. I was the only candidate wiling to do all the paperwork involved with such a boring job and there were two options on the ballot: Me and RON (Re-open Nominations.

I was elected with 96 votes in my favour, 12 against. The campus is something like 4000 students.

Then at a Union meeting one of the political groups decided it wanted to remove me and pulled a fast VONC out the bag. You need 66% to vote in favour of removing me. I was removed with 43 votes to 19.

96 voted for me, yet 43 removed me? Similar things can happen with player VONCs.

Honestly how long does a CSM last? 1 year? It would be a waste of everyones time. Say a month to announce the VONC and vote it get it over with. Then 2 months to run another nomination. Unless they were VONC in the first 6 months they'd only get a 3 month term.

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Max DeGaulle
DeGaulle Boring Industries
#9 - 2012-09-13 19:16:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Max DeGaulle
What happens if two or three CSM members go inactive at one time?

I don't see this as being very useful, while being a good idea to present, it can be easily avoided by an educated player base electing persons with a solid track record. Not just voting for the first nominee who spams their inbox with propaganda.

Too bad we do not live in a perfect world.

Edit: InafterNecroRealization
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-09-17 04:28:26 UTC
I don't think this CSM has gotten anything constructive done.

We should execute them.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-09-17 10:31:59 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
I don't think this CSM has gotten anything constructive done.

We should execute them.


Where's CCP Robespierre when you need him?

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Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-09-20 03:31:01 UTC
If I were a member of a large alliance who never takes anything seriously and always tries to break the game, I'd aid their efforts into abusing this system for our own gain or just for the laughs.

Thankfully such an alliance doesn't exist and would never do such a thing...... oh wait Sad

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Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#13 - 2012-09-21 08:36:47 UTC
Terra Infector Adoudel wrote:
How about a player vote of no confidence? If you could get, say, half of the people who voted in the last CSM election to vote to remove a member.


Yes, give goons and RVB control of eve. Great idea.