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Lexmana
#41 - 2012-08-04 17:13:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
Silence iKillYouu wrote:
If u want dread ganks get a cyno chain to kourm ready and send me mail.

Dreads have no business in kourmonen these days. It is as peaceful as highsec. Eszur on the other hand ...
Horak Thor
Angry Mustellid
#42 - 2012-08-05 03:21:01 UTC
Major Killz wrote:
Welcome to factional warfare.


Yes welcome who's kraken.

.....
Ezra Tair
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-08-05 03:28:16 UTC
Welcome to the party.
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2012-08-05 23:04:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrett
Cellethen wrote:
BringerMC wrote:
Cellethen wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
lol Nulli had to call in help to deal with FW scrubs.


You sound mad. Sorry that a couple of friendly 0.0 alliances want to exploit this isk faucet before CCP tightens it up like they did Incursions.

HUN bros best bros, sell me a cambion? <3



For those that actually know EVE economics FW is an ISK sink. The only ISK Faucet is ISK you recieve from missions which is very little.

FW is an ISK sink as LP is not ISK. To turn it into items most the time you must spend ISK which is a sink. The items you sell are not an ISK faucet as that money already exists in game and is just coming from other players buying your goods which then creates another ISK sink due to taxes and broker fees.

So I see no activity in FW creating ISK besides the few million you get from FW missions.

So obviously 0.0 alliances don't know everything.


It's not an ISK faucet in terms of the overall economy, no, but it certainly forces a load of ISK into your personal wallet. Did I misuse the term? Probably. It's alright though, the level of butthurt LOSEK PRYDE in your last sentence made the slight error on my part more than worth it.

Anyway, I'm going to keep enjoying my time pvping in frigates while you keep getting pissy about the fact that a 0.0 alliance is playing the same game as you. Ciao!

EDIT: Holy ****, a Dreddit guy defending me. Cheers :D I'll see you on /r/eve


These people jumped on me for using these terms 'incorrectly' too. Space lawyers and space economists are abundant in FW. They get angry if you imply people in FW get rich.

99% sure these people fly gunless frigate alts to farm plexes and this definitional nonsense is what they use to rationalize it. Don't know why the just can't admit they are farming a broken system.

We all are.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#45 - 2012-08-06 00:18:47 UTC
Hrett wrote:
Cellethen wrote:
BringerMC wrote:
Cellethen wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
lol Nulli had to call in help to deal with FW scrubs.


You sound mad. Sorry that a couple of friendly 0.0 alliances want to exploit this isk faucet before CCP tightens it up like they did Incursions.

HUN bros best bros, sell me a cambion? <3



For those that actually know EVE economics FW is an ISK sink. The only ISK Faucet is ISK you recieve from missions which is very little.

FW is an ISK sink as LP is not ISK. To turn it into items most the time you must spend ISK which is a sink. The items you sell are not an ISK faucet as that money already exists in game and is just coming from other players buying your goods which then creates another ISK sink due to taxes and broker fees.

So I see no activity in FW creating ISK besides the few million you get from FW missions.

So obviously 0.0 alliances don't know everything.


It's not an ISK faucet in terms of the overall economy, no, but it certainly forces a load of ISK into your personal wallet. Did I misuse the term? Probably. It's alright though, the level of butthurt LOSEK PRYDE in your last sentence made the slight error on my part more than worth it.

Anyway, I'm going to keep enjoying my time pvping in frigates while you keep getting pissy about the fact that a 0.0 alliance is playing the same game as you. Ciao!

EDIT: Holy ****, a Dreddit guy defending me. Cheers :D I'll see you on /r/eve


These people jumped on me for using these terms 'incorrectly' too. Space lawyers and space economists are abundant in FW. They get angry if you imply people in FW get rich.

99% sure these people fly gunless frigate alts to farm plexes and this definitional nonsense is what they use to rationalize it. Don't know why the just can't admit they are farming a broken system.

We all are.


I'm still poor. Capitol One tried to explain to me how this "farming eleventy billion LP" thing works, but it sounded like PVE and I promptly snoozed off.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Cellethen
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#46 - 2012-08-06 00:30:13 UTC
I like your logic, Vordak.

I myself can't do more than a couple plexes without getting terminally bored - I run them when I can bring myself to because I know the money:time ratio is good, but I just don't want the money bad enough to keep playing the "orbit beacon -->spam dscan --> warp to new beacon when done" game.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#47 - 2012-08-06 00:34:16 UTC
Cellethen wrote:
I like your logic, Vordak.

I myself can't do more than a couple plexes without getting terminally bored - I run them when I can bring myself to because I know the money:time ratio is good, but I just don't want the money bad enough to keep playing the "orbit beacon -->spam dscan --> warp to new beacon when done" game.


Then do them in a pvp ship!

Just go run minors. Wait for a wt to come fight you - have some glorious pew pew.

If no wt comes - you get LP.

If a wt comes, and you kill him, you get a shiny shiny killmail and some LP.

If you lose, well at least you got a fight.
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#48 - 2012-08-06 00:37:38 UTC
chatgris wrote:
If a wt comes, and you kill him, you get a shiny shiny killmail



And the point of that would be?
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
BringerMC
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2012-08-06 00:41:12 UTC
Hrett wrote:
Cellethen wrote:
BringerMC wrote:
Cellethen wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
lol Nulli had to call in help to deal with FW scrubs.


You sound mad. Sorry that a couple of friendly 0.0 alliances want to exploit this isk faucet before CCP tightens it up like they did Incursions.

HUN bros best bros, sell me a cambion? <3



For those that actually know EVE economics FW is an ISK sink. The only ISK Faucet is ISK you recieve from missions which is very little.

FW is an ISK sink as LP is not ISK. To turn it into items most the time you must spend ISK which is a sink. The items you sell are not an ISK faucet as that money already exists in game and is just coming from other players buying your goods which then creates another ISK sink due to taxes and broker fees.

So I see no activity in FW creating ISK besides the few million you get from FW missions.

So obviously 0.0 alliances don't know everything.


It's not an ISK faucet in terms of the overall economy, no, but it certainly forces a load of ISK into your personal wallet. Did I misuse the term? Probably. It's alright though, the level of butthurt LOSEK PRYDE in your last sentence made the slight error on my part more than worth it.

Anyway, I'm going to keep enjoying my time pvping in frigates while you keep getting pissy about the fact that a 0.0 alliance is playing the same game as you. Ciao!

EDIT: Holy ****, a Dreddit guy defending me. Cheers :D I'll see you on /r/eve


These people jumped on me for using these terms 'incorrectly' too. Space lawyers and space economists are abundant in FW. They get angry if you imply people in FW get rich.

99% sure these people fly gunless frigate alts to farm plexes and this definitional nonsense is what they use to rationalize it. Don't know why the just can't admit they are farming a broken system.

We all are.


Oh its broken but it is still an ISK Sink. People in FW do get rich but other people are getting poorer from buying your goods. It is wealth redistribution. It does not cause inflation in the market as it is not introducing new ISK to the system. The argument had nothing to do about the system being broken and allowing large amounts of wealth redistribution. Only that FW is an ISK sink and that probably will not CCP rush to change it as it is not effecting the global market.


Join **The Ghost Division **Today! Because Pac-man ghosts driving Panzers can't be beat.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#50 - 2012-08-06 00:49:46 UTC  |  Edited by: chatgris
Large Collidable Object wrote:
chatgris wrote:
If a wt comes, and you kill him, you get a shiny shiny killmail



And the point of that would be?


Playing a game without a score isn't as interesting for me as a playing a game with a score. For me, my score is Battleclinic points because I like the rules - kill something big and expensive in a frigate solo - get a ton of points. Get killed by a huge blob, don't lose many points. It's a scoring system that challenges me to find new ways to play the underdog role, or to charge fleets solo and see what I can kill before I go down.

Not to mention, I love looking back at battle reports as a history of what happenned, see how the enemy fit their ships learn from it.

Killmails are (largely, some exceptions) the game for me. Other people play for ISK and assets, or control of space. I like killmails because the process of aquiring them is the most fun (direct pvp), they are my score for pvp.
Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#51 - 2012-08-06 01:03:14 UTC
Horak Thor wrote:
Major Killz wrote:
Welcome to factional warfare.


Yes welcome who's kraken.



KRAKENDOT is most likely the most powerful entity within Caldari milltia v0v

[u]Ich bin ein Pirat ！[/u]
BringerMC
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2012-08-06 01:30:31 UTC
Major Killz wrote:
Horak Thor wrote:
Major Killz wrote:
Welcome to factional warfare.


Yes welcome who's kraken.



KRAKENDOT is most likely the most powerful entity within Caldari milltia v0v



Is that why your group left Yvangier?

Also if that is true then the Gallante having nothing to worry about.

Join **The Ghost Division **Today! Because Pac-man ghosts driving Panzers can't be beat.
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#53 - 2012-08-06 01:44:16 UTC
Cellethen wrote:
I like your logic, Vordak.

I myself can't do more than a couple plexes without getting terminally bored - I run them when I can bring myself to because I know the money:time ratio is good, but I just don't want the money bad enough to keep playing the "orbit beacon -->spam dscan --> warp to new beacon when done" game.


You seem like :goodpeople: Cellethen.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2012-08-06 01:44:31 UTC
Cellethen wrote:
I like your logic, Vordak.

I myself can't do more than a couple plexes without getting terminally bored - I run them when I can bring myself to because I know the money:time ratio is good, but I just don't want the money bad enough to keep playing the "orbit beacon -->spam dscan --> warp to new beacon when done" game.


Me either. I had a whopping 200k LP on upgrade day. I bought some ENI, VNI and Comets to fight in. I won't sell any of them. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE plex mechanics and fighting in plexes and I will plex hot systems. But I simply can't go to a backwater system and run buttons just to farm LP. To each his own.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Lilly Tebron
Unknown Entity.
#55 - 2012-08-06 02:33:02 UTC
Cellethen wrote:
BringerMC wrote:
Cellethen wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
lol Nulli had to call in help to deal with FW scrubs.


You sound mad. Sorry that a couple of friendly 0.0 alliances want to exploit this isk faucet before CCP tightens it up like they did Incursions.

HUN bros best bros, sell me a cambion? <3



For those that actually know EVE economics FW is an ISK sink. The only ISK Faucet is ISK you recieve from missions which is very little.

FW is an ISK sink as LP is not ISK. To turn it into items most the time you must spend ISK which is a sink. The items you sell are not an ISK faucet as that money already exists in game and is just coming from other players buying your goods which then creates another ISK sink due to taxes and broker fees.

So I see no activity in FW creating ISK besides the few million you get from FW missions.

So obviously 0.0 alliances don't know everything.


It's not an ISK faucet in terms of the overall economy, no, but it certainly forces a load of ISK into your personal wallet. Did I misuse the term? Probably. It's alright though, the level of butthurt LOSEK PRYDE in your last sentence made the slight error on my part more than worth it.

Anyway, I'm going to keep enjoying my time pvping in frigates while you keep getting pissy about the fact that a 0.0 alliance is playing the same game as you. Ciao!

EDIT: Holy ****, a Dreddit guy defending me. Cheers :D I'll see you on /r/eve


Please stop calling FW a broken ISK Faucet. Null Sec Moons are the true ISK Faucet in this game. Moon Goo makes you rediculously filthy rich, and FW is nothing compared to that. There needs to be something to bridge the gap in this game isk wise between lv 4 high sec missions (OMG booooooooooooooooring) and Null Sec Alliance Income. Frankly its time that the small guy in this game has the opportunity to make good income and still PVP. For far too long the major alliance have dominated the isk wealth in this game and it's time there were other sources of income that major null sec alliances cannot hoarde and lock others out of using.
Kale Freeman
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-08-06 12:45:58 UTC
Lilly Tebron wrote:

Please stop calling FW a broken ISK Faucet. Null Sec Moons are the true ISK Faucet in this game. Moon Goo makes you rediculously filthy rich, and FW is nothing compared to that. There needs to be something to bridge the gap in this game isk wise between lv 4 high sec missions (OMG booooooooooooooooring) and Null Sec Alliance Income. Frankly its time that the small guy in this game has the opportunity to make good income and still PVP. For far too long the major alliance have dominated the isk wealth in this game and it's time there were other sources of income that major null sec alliances cannot hoarde and lock others out of using.



In the spirit of this wonderful thread, I feel I should point out that Null Sec Moons are not ISK Faucets.
Ki're Suahien
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2012-08-06 15:37:39 UTC
Lilly Tebron wrote:


Please stop calling FW a broken ISK Faucet. Null Sec Moons are the true ISK Faucet in this game. Moon Goo makes you rediculously filthy rich, and FW is nothing compared to that. There needs to be something to bridge the gap in this game isk wise between lv 4 high sec missions (OMG booooooooooooooooring) and Null Sec Alliance Income. Frankly its time that the small guy in this game has the opportunity to make good income and still PVP. For far too long the major alliance have dominated the isk wealth in this game and it's time there were other sources of income that major null sec alliances cannot hoarde and lock others out of using.



As someone from an nullsec alliance that has a lot of moon goo, I come into FW to get my money. It's horribly broken. I had 3 frigates in the minmatar militia when they were hitting T5, and I've made 3 new alts in the amarr militia since they're headed towards T5.

My week old alt in a 7-10 million isk frigate makes more isk/hr semi-afk than a fully skilled thanatos pilot can make in a 1.5 BILLION isk carrier ratting in nullsec, while paying full attention. Kindly inform me of your definition of broken. Nulli Secunda didn't just randomly decide to join FW, and they didn't decide to join for the, "small gang warfare that is so much more interesting than nullsec blobs". They came for the money, and are going to make far more than they ever made while holding hundreds of moons in southern nullsec.

Major nullsec alliances have dominated the wealth because they fought wars to win it, but I agree that FW players should have access to good income levels that allows them to afford their ships.However, there is a difference between, "good income" and, "hey, should I buy two titans or only one?" income. Incursions? FW plexing blows them out of the water BEFORE the nerf, that that was considered an easy, risk free way to be showered in isk. Not only does plexing annhilate any other form of gaining personal wealth, but that you can achieve it with 1) Almost zero attention and 2) Literally the cheapest ships in the game. If you run missions in stealth bombers, you can push the isk/hr far further (but that actually requires a bit of effort).

It's ridiculous. Through and through. But while it's ridiculous, I'll continue to make stupid amounts of money off of it.
Lilly Tebron
Unknown Entity.
#58 - 2012-08-06 16:05:12 UTC
Ki're Suahien wrote:
Lilly Tebron wrote:


Please stop calling FW a broken ISK Faucet. Null Sec Moons are the true ISK Faucet in this game. Moon Goo makes you rediculously filthy rich, and FW is nothing compared to that. There needs to be something to bridge the gap in this game isk wise between lv 4 high sec missions (OMG booooooooooooooooring) and Null Sec Alliance Income. Frankly its time that the small guy in this game has the opportunity to make good income and still PVP. For far too long the major alliance have dominated the isk wealth in this game and it's time there were other sources of income that major null sec alliances cannot hoarde and lock others out of using.



As someone from an nullsec alliance that has a lot of moon goo, I come into FW to get my money. It's horribly broken. I had 3 frigates in the minmatar militia when they were hitting T5, and I've made 3 new alts in the amarr militia since they're headed towards T5.

My week old alt in a 7-10 million isk frigate makes more isk/hr semi-afk than a fully skilled thanatos pilot can make in a 1.5 BILLION isk carrier ratting in nullsec, while paying full attention. Kindly inform me of your definition of broken. Nulli Secunda didn't just randomly decide to join FW, and they didn't decide to join for the, "small gang warfare that is so much more interesting than nullsec blobs". They came for the money, and are going to make far more than they ever made while holding hundreds of moons in southern nullsec.

Major nullsec alliances have dominated the wealth because they fought wars to win it, but I agree that FW players should have access to good income levels that allows them to afford their ships.However, there is a difference between, "good income" and, "hey, should I buy two titans or only one?" income. Incursions? FW plexing blows them out of the water BEFORE the nerf, that that was considered an easy, risk free way to be showered in isk. Not only does plexing annhilate any other form of gaining personal wealth, but that you can achieve it with 1) Almost zero attention and 2) Literally the cheapest ships in the game. If you run missions in stealth bombers, you can push the isk/hr far further (but that actually requires a bit of effort).

It's ridiculous. Through and through. But while it's ridiculous, I'll continue to make stupid amounts of money off of it.


Do you recieve the ISK that is generated from the sale of the moon goo directly into your wallet? I would bet not, and I would bet the guy who does get that ISK would have a different story to tell.

The fact that you have a 1.5 BILLION isk carrier and you are willing to risk it ratting, suggests you have significantly more income per hour than the average lv4 mission runner, or even the average FW pilot. You don't see FW fleets of caps roaming for the lols. If FW is such an isk faucet as people suggest, why isn't the average FW pilot who has at least couple months of time in, running around in a cap?
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#59 - 2012-08-06 16:21:23 UTC
Cellethen wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
lol Nulli had to call in help to deal with FW scrubs.


You sound mad. Sorry that a couple of friendly 0.0 alliances want to exploit this isk faucet before CCP tightens it up like they did Incursions.

HUN bros best bros, sell me a cambion? <3


Why would I be mad about more people to feed me 400 million ISK Daredevil kills?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#60 - 2012-08-06 16:33:13 UTC
Hrett wrote:
These people jumped on me for using these terms 'incorrectly' too. Space lawyers and space economists are abundant in FW. They get angry if you imply people in FW get rich.

99% sure these people fly gunless frigate alts to farm plexes and this definitional nonsense is what they use to rationalize it. Don't know why the just can't admit they are farming a broken system.

We all are.


Well first of all, nobody "jumped on you"; you were simply corrected for misusing/misunderstanding the term "ISK Faucet". Instead of being thankful for the educational experience, you took it personally and got defensive over it, trying to argue your way out of it and doing your darned best not to learn something new.

Judging from the language you're using here ("these people jumped on me"), you obviously felt as though you were being attacked, even though that was not the case. My advise to you is to not take things on Internet Spaceship Forums so seriously. It' bad for your health (high blood pressure and digestive troubles can be linked to confrontational mindsets).

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist