EVE General Discussion

Imagine a scenario where somebody overly pimps a ship with officer and/or high grade deadspace modules for better PvE performance. He pays X isk for the whole fitting. Now after he earns another X isk with that ship + fitting, he assumes the fitting paid for itself and is now showing the extra profit. Wait a second, you don't need to imagine that. You all probably know people yourself that do that way.


Why are people that dumb?


The way I see it:

Compare two Tengus, one being a staple T2 fit costing 500mil overall including ship, the other one pimped out costing 5bil including ship.

Now the T2 fit, with whatever you are doing, can produce a solid 80mil per hour.
The pimped fit, doing the same thing, can produce a solid 100mil per hour.

So the pimped fit will pay back for itself *when* that extra 20mil per hour covers the difference between the 500mil and the 5bil. Meaning the majority will believe that the pimped fit paid for itself whenever you have earned 5bil - BUT...

... in truth it will have paid for itself whenever you have earned 22.5bil with these figures. This becomes even more extreme when you have a simple T2 fit, with faction damage mods. Then all the faction painters and super expensive tanks don't really contribute that much anymore.


Now I do realize that making a ship expensive it can have its benefits:
* It can be an entry card for certain incursion fleets (ISN) - which naturally give a lot more profit. But incursions are arguably the smallest percentage of carebearing.
* It can allow to be able to do certain sites to begin with. Switch your ship for an Ishtar, or just fit the bare minimum tank for any site you do.

But the brutal truth is:
You will lose your ship sooner or later. Making it utterly expensive effectively removes CONCORD protection (yes they will still take revenge, but that won't matter if you lose 5bil, and the suicide gankers only lose a couple hundred mil in nados, while potentially looting several billion of your loot - and the more expensive your ship gets, the more likely this will be).

And if you live in 0.0/lowsec, you will be hunted regardless - well even more so if they know you are flying shiny.
* Eventually you will do a mistake
* Eventually you will be unlucky
* Eventually you will have a backstabber in your corp
* Eventually you will have a bug that GMs cannot verify through logs
* -> Eventually you will lose your ship.
Add the fact that people never sell their shiny mods back, they are effectively *spent*, instead of being an re-sellable investment - unless they want to upgrade, which just amplifies everything.


Do people just fail at basic math?

Or is this all just about feeling good when you see all those green, blue and purple things in your mods icons?

I'm merely curious about the stupidity of people so I can exploit that!

I feel you...this might not be really related but i also really wonder who those people are undercutting jita sell orders by lets say...2 million per battleship.

"Oh look at me i sell my stuff so cheap nobody will dare to sell theirs cheaper then mine, i rule the market hurrrr!"

Sudden clarity hits when they realize they are not only undercut 30 seconds later but chopped of a good profit of their own sale.

If you pass Incursion systems you see tons of stupitly expensive fitted ships linked in local so these guys get invites in fleets. Sad thing about this is that these ships are mostly ******** fitted ( officer cap rechargers anyone ) and the only reason to fit those modules was the price and not the effectivness.

Please refrain from teaching these people, they provide great content when they appear on Killboards...

What do you expect when they spend ISK on very little else, that's their end game effectively. I learned early on in my time in EVE that those loot pinatas can attract all the wrong attention.

I suicide pimped tengus in empire for big profits and run my own pimped macharial in null doing anoms, what now :S

That's it. And since carebears are rediculous rich, they dont care about any ROI.

I pimped up 3 flycatchers for my 3 mains and fly level 4 missions in them. The ISK isn't important in these circumstances - risk V reward doesn't come into it, it's the knowledge that if you **** up then it's going to hurt. Same sort of thing as doing downhill on a mountain bike, but without the possibility of actual physical pain.

That's why I pimped out.

-1 no TLDR

I want to see this 22b tengu fit.

And I thought the 4b machariels were overkill