Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I guess that was your argument?

That's a good point: the difference in bonus between the two ships is rather small (oft-ignored by the OCD fleet boosters, myself included), and with the advantages in having a tank and not needing to safe up do allow the fleet CS some advantages over a 5+ linked OGB. But those cases are too few and far between. In my experience, the general opinion on fleet CS's is usually "Why don't you bring this, instead?" and it's not an easy question to answer, when you consider the alternatives. Maybe I'm being too hard on the fleet CS, but I can't help but still feel they need some love either as a buff to the ship class or from a larger change in the mechanic. Even if it's just a token difference like the 3% vs 5%.

Rorqual and even Orca are too vulnerable to sit in a belt in 0.0 and WH. Miners are there for mining, they dont want PVP, so they should have a possibility to do it relatively safe. They have a choice either to use boosting or not. But as mining is a part of industry - not PVP - the choice is also in the field of economical necessity. And the risk is economical as well. And if you force them to yet another risk - it is not fair.

Hey, that was my idea! ;-)
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1756399#post1756399

And I see a problem in that when you say "boosting ship" you always mean "T3 boosting ship". Command ships are specialized boosters, require more training and... do it worse. This is just madness.

You need to do PvP in order for your opinion to have any value. I thought that goes without question? You cant just state this is bad and this is good, without having it ever done yourself and expect people to believe you.

As for the second paragraph, yes, thats almost always the case. The whiners are the ones who complain the most. People who are comfortable dont bother to post. The thing is that you are trying to dictate your opinion on things that you dont do yourself and thus have no idea about upon people who do those things and have a different opinion. Killboard stats dont tell whether youre good or bad at pvp, but they can say if you do pvp or not.
So if youre saying that OGB are becoming a necessity and are discouraging people from doing smallscale pvp, what exactly do you have to back this claim up? This is just an empty sentence without any value.
I say OGB are a necessity in order to do smallscale pvp. Why do i think that? Because i do smallscale pvp quite often.
Smallscale pvp is not only about 2on2 frigate style.

If they really are that fragile as people state, yes they will be used less. Which isnt wrong IMO. Otherwise, they are on field at least, obviously for everyone and free to target without having to scan a nearly unscannable ship on SS. This added risk in exchange for all the benefits a CS provides for everyone else on field is more than justified.


majority of said ships are usually piloted actively by a dude as his primary ship and they put those ships at risk by bringing them on field - a dualboxed falcon has a very high chance to get popped when decloaked, contradictory to a stupid dualboxed alt on spot with 0 additional people involved and at almost 0 risk (touch scan button once a while and hit warp as soon as something appears on grid) but make everyone else in fleet equipped with a-type EANMs, officer points and what not for cheap ISK.


ofc there are enough reasons to shorten the list, a lot have been expressed on forums in all these threads about off grid boosting.

you havent got eve. Its a pvp game, at all times. This means a miner should be prepared for pvp but a pvp guy doesnt need to be prepared for mining. Because eve is not a mining game, ist just a part of it following its fundamental rules as being always a pvp game.


no they first start stopping using them. You dont need to make it sound mining is gonna be removed from the game completely, you then could still do mining without mining director links.

This is axiomatically wrong. By that logic I would need to commit murder to know that murder is wrong, or Id have to be rich to know that being rich is good

The fact is that I do use off grid links (say hello to 14 million in leadership) the difference between you and I is that I dont have a horse in the race.

Your opinion is biased because you use off grid links and you like them because it gives you an advantage over the idiots who dont use them. Thats totally understandable, but you should know that it also makes your opinion biased


Also, love the name BTW

OGB's are extremely common in nullsec home systems and FW zones where there is regular conflict. They are also commonly used in medium to larger fleets to boost their combat effectiveness.


If we need to compare ****kb-sizes, I'm confident I can hold my own... I'm against many aspects of OFB's, and I'm not afraid to post with my main!



I posted a decent discusion on this topic, which discusses On Grid vs Off Grid Boosting.
Fleet Boosting: A discussion
You'll find many pro's and con's to OFB.

In the end, the biggest problem with OFB, in my opinion, is entitlement: People, like you, feel they are entitled to 3-6, max bonuses so they can turn their "small gang" or "solo" ships into overpowered wtfpwnmobiles. Sure, being able to point out to 50+ km's and travel at 4k+ m/s in a cruiser makes it hard for your opponents to catch you, gets you a ton of kills, and makes you feel like some L33t PvP, but that doesn't make it good for the game! Sure, your opponents can get a boosting alt and do the same, but they shouldn't need to. IMO, if you want 30% boosts to an attribute to all ships in fleet, then that booster needs to be in the thick of battle!! And single linked t3's can fight and boost fairly well, as well as some CS (although they all need rebalancing), and many BC's as well. And receiving multiple game-changing bonuses should cost a lot more than flying in some difficult-to-scan down, covert ship that you park in a safe spot.

Removing OFB's from POS isn't enough (not to mention causes other problems -- see my other thread).

Finally, I don't know how much time you spend in FW, but FW easily has as much solo & small gang PvP as nullsec, and the ubiquitous use of OFB is obnoxious... and needs to be remedied!