EVE General Discussion

DayZ Mod is fun! thats only a mod and is in beta!

Well I hate to say it but it's a big up in the air question of "Will it blend?"

Not a joke there, the only selling point Dust has over other games is a link with a large expansive game; EVE. With out that blend, mix, integration, ect. It's just you average FPS

DayZ is being designed differently. Two core differences are thus:

First of all, DayZ is being built on an existing engine, so they're doing it one small step at a time upon an already fun game.

Second, and more importantly, the way that DayZ is being developed is much different and much more short term. It follows the same development cycle as Minecraft. They're developing one feature, balancing it somewhat, throwing it into the game at a functional level, and not working on other features until that feature is almost release quality.

Most big titles aren't designed this way for several reasons. First of all, because they focus on each individual part, they run into problems later on when they try to add more features and need to keep changing all their old stuff to account for it. It takes much longer. Secondly, by planning to develop everything at once and balance it all together, they make it easier to code down the road and avoid lots of bugs.

How many times in Minecraft did they have to halt development to go back and retroactively adjust their code cause they didn't plan that far ahead? Similar problem: Look at the issues with scalability and balance that result in expansion packs for games that didn't design that far ahead. I hate to be "that guy", but you ever seen how bad World of Warcraft is after each expansion? It blows. Well, it always blew, but every time one of my friends shows me something it looks even worse. Point is, they're designing long term. The game might suck now, but it's not a finished product. Sit tight.

IMO DUST514 should be a lot more like WoT or MWO than first person shooter.

Although I've never tried Renegade online, there is this little awesome mod for Doom made after it, if its as similar as the OP said, then I wouldn't be able to wait to play it. Hit or miss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wvlctieiuk

I'd just like to take the time to point out that the Diablo III demo only included the content up to the first boss fight, on normal difficulty. Even with such limitations it got rave reviews. Once it was released it was quickly panned, to the point where people just avoid talking about it anymore. So pay no attention to what people say about a game based on a beta or demo.

As many people as possible should join the beta to get a taste of it for themselves rather than relying on the opinions of idiots. The graphics are poor because this is a very early build (this is stated in the CSM minutes). Look at the DUST gameplay videos that have been released to see what the graphics will look like in the future. The gameplay is already interesting (public knowledge, check the videos).

I am sure that DUST will not appeal to the Counterstrike types who just want to turn on the console, blow people up for fifteen minutes, then set the table while Mum serves dinner. I am sure that DUST will appeal to people who want deep gameplay, a complex world in which to demonstrate that they are smarter that the other guys, and the opportunity for teamwork to produce awesome results.

What will DUST's active player count be? I expect somewhere around 1% of the PS3-owning population (about the proportion of "people who bought Diablo III" versus "people who play EVE Online"). With EVE Uni and a bunch of other folks getting into the player-training racket, I would expect to find a bunch of guides appearing along the lines of "DUST514 for Counterstrike players": basically guides to help people who play other shooters to transition as painlessly as possible into the more complex environment of DUST (train X, then Y, use this fitting, then just run around shooting stuff like you used to do).

EVE Uni, Agony and Goonswarm have training programs for new players: I think the hardest thing for CCP will be getting brand new players in contact with the player-driven training organisations before they quit the game in disgust. Hopefully there will be a tutorial like EVE currently has: walk the player through PvE missions (at Fanfest there was talk about PvE versus rogue drones), teach them about fittings, using particular modules (how do remote repairers and shield transfers work in a FPS?) and handling the capture mechanics (E3 video).

DUST will never appeal to the folks who love COD for it's instant-on action. The skill tree and fitting window will likely turn those people off the game:



Just because DUST didn't appeal to one 12yo COD-player doesn't mean it won't appeal to anyone.

I just want to know whether mining in DUST is done with lasers or a pickaxe.

It could just be me, and it frequently is but... The designers of a PC game with a nice following decide to make a console game and later wonder why not many PC players are interested. Its like owning a vegan restaurant with a nice crown and then deciding to open a red-meat burger joint right beside it and wondering why your current fan base is not interested.

I guess it kind of payed off for CCP to go consoles ironically because it doesn't hold a candle to PS2 sadly, although im not sure the if that's the fault of the limitations of consoles.

Makes me wonder if CCP invested more into the concept of incarna rather than wod or dust would we be playing in an immersive SiFi world rather than spaceships with a room.

Still, spaceships is good enough for me I guess.

Trying to aim with a right analog stick just blows. I've tried it on several games and can never get used to it.
Everything in a console FPS feels like you are drowning in syrup too.

Not that this has anything to do with this thread, but I'm playing D514 and don't want to say anything to violate the NDA.

Online games market is too dense lately to tolerate mediocre games as SWTOR release clearly indicated. However with F2P model even SWTOR has a chance to become popular. Not so sure about Dust: there will be Planetside 2.

I've participated in 4 online MMO game betas during last 12 months (Dust excluded - I don't have console) and 3 of them were major disappointment right from first 10 minutes (especially D3) + 4th title (SWTOR) was boring after couple of weeks anyway. Developers lately are unable to create anything even remotely as good as were DAoC or UO. I wouldn't hope Dust will be an exclusion of this trend. Sad story.