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Real Money Scamming - Totally Unacceptable

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Crouching Tigress
Doomheim
#81 - 2012-08-02 22:13:35 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Crouching Tigress wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Crouching Tigress wrote:
Can you show me the rule in the EULA that says you will be scammed with your real money, andyou must accept this. Tell me?
Just one problem: you were not scammed with real money.

You got scammed out of in-game currency — currency you don't even own (it's the property of CCP, and they still own it now that it appears in the scammer's wallet). The EULA doesn't prohibit this kind of scamming. In addition, as the reimbursement policy points out…
Reimbursement policy wrote:
1. Assets lost to a scam may only be reimbursed if the scammer used a verified bug to hide his intentions to scam. Generally in-game scams are allowed and considered a valid tactic as long as they are done via normal game mechanics.
2. Players are cautioned to use their best judgment when entering into agreements with other players. To avoid getting scammed, please read our article on scamming.
…it would only be illegitimate if they exploited any bugs. I'm fairly willing to bet that you simply transferred ISK to them — no bugs involved.


so you failed to show me where i signed up to be alowed to be scammed then?


No. You failed to comprehend what you read.



Again please show me where in the EULA it says, we are signing up to be scammed. Just show me it and stop avoiding it
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2012-08-02 22:13:40 UTC
Crouching Tigress wrote:
so you failed to show me where i signed up to be alowed to be scammed then?


You allowed yourself to be scammed. CCP makes no distinction between ISK obtained via selling PLEX or ISK obtained via gameplay when it comes to GM decisions. The only scams that you are protected from in any way are those related to timecode transfers and character sales, neither of which are permitted in exchange for in-game services or anything other than straight ISK.

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#83 - 2012-08-02 22:14:33 UTC
Let's not be too harsh on him. He may actually be illiterate. Which would also explain why he was so easily taken.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#84 - 2012-08-02 22:15:31 UTC
Crouching Tigress wrote:
Can you show me the rule in the EULA that says you will be scammed with your real money, andyou must accept this. Tell me?

You are such a jobs worth tippia


A. Ownership of Software, System and Game

As between you and CCP, CCP is the sole and exclusive owner of the Software, System, Game and Game Content (as defined below). The Software, System, Game and all Game Content are protected by law governing copyrights, trademarks and other proprietary rights. CCP reserves all rights not expressly granted herein.

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It was CCPs isk you lost.
Crouching Tigress
Doomheim
#85 - 2012-08-02 22:15:40 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Crouching Tigress wrote:
so you failed to show me where i signed up to be alowed to be scammed then?


You allowed yourself to be scammed. CCP makes no distinction between ISK obtained via selling PLEX or ISK obtained via gameplay when it comes to GM decisions. The only scams that you are protected from in any way are those related to timecode transfers and character sales, neither of which are permitted in exchange for in-game services or anything other than straight ISK.



Still no mention of EULA then
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#86 - 2012-08-02 22:15:44 UTC
Crouching Tigress wrote:



Again please show me where in the EULA it says, we are signing up to be scammed. Just show me it and stop avoiding it


Open up the EVE client and type in your password. Press 'Connect'. There is your ******* "I agree".

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#87 - 2012-08-02 22:16:26 UTC
Crouching Tigress wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Crouching Tigress wrote:
i wont reply to anymore stupid "its ok to scam" posts....
Then quit. Please hand over your stuff before you go.

It is ok to scam because those are the rules of the game. You accepted them when you created your account. You accepted them when you downloaded and first started the client. You accent them any time the client craps itself and resets its settings.



Can you show me the rule in the EULA that says you will be scammed with your real money, andyou must accept this. Tell me?

You are such a jobs worth tippia



Here it is in crayon.

£100 to CCP - CCP give you PLEX - PLEX sold for ISK / PLEX given to scammer.

The bit I highlighted is the important part. This is the point at which CCP no longer has any liability. After that point, whatever happens to your PLEX / ISK is entirely down to you.

Got it now?

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Jim Era
#88 - 2012-08-02 22:16:27 UTC
I would really appreciate a dev or ISD to drop by and tell this dude that scams happen in EVE and nobody cares.

Wat™
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#89 - 2012-08-02 22:17:10 UTC
Crouching Tigress wrote:
Still no mention of EULA then


The EULA is not an exhaustive list of what you /can/ do in the game, but rather what you are not allowed to do.

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Crouching Tigress
Doomheim
#90 - 2012-08-02 22:19:22 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Crouching Tigress wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Crouching Tigress wrote:
i wont reply to anymore stupid "its ok to scam" posts....
Then quit. Please hand over your stuff before you go.

It is ok to scam because those are the rules of the game. You accepted them when you created your account. You accepted them when you downloaded and first started the client. You accent them any time the client craps itself and resets its settings.



Can you show me the rule in the EULA that says you will be scammed with your real money, andyou must accept this. Tell me?

You are such a jobs worth tippia



Here it is in crayon.

£100 to CCP - CCP give you PLEX - PLEX sold for ISK / PLEX given to scammer.

The bit I highlighted is the important part. This is the point at which CCP no longer has any liability. After that point, whatever happens to your PLEX / ISK is entirely down to you.

Got it now?


still no exactl EULA extract then? you cant just make stuff up your of your head.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#91 - 2012-08-02 22:19:56 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Crouching Tigress wrote:
Still no mention of EULA then


The EULA is not an exhaustive list of what you /can/ do in the game, but rather what you are not allowed to do.


And Eve-Online's EULA is particularly vague on purpose. It allows CCP a bailout option for just about any situation.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#92 - 2012-08-02 22:20:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Cutter Isaacson
Crouching Tigress wrote:



Again please show me where in the EULA it says, we are signing up to be scammed. Just show me it and stop avoiding it



Read here please and count yourself lucky you got your ISK back.


EVE Support

Now hush.


EVE Online Support wrote:


Scams

A scam is what happens when someone takes advantage of your misplaced trust, temporary confusion or ignorance of game rules, and robs you via legal in-game means. When this occurs, there is nothing the Support Team can do for you. Although low and despicable, scams do not violate any game mechanics and can not be compensated for by the GMs, nor can the scammers generally be punished for their actions.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2012-08-02 22:20:31 UTC
Crouching Tigress wrote:

still no exactl EULA extract then? you cant just make stuff up your of your head.


I trust everyone now realizes this entire thread is just a fake post.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#94 - 2012-08-02 22:21:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Crouching Tigress wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
No. You failed to comprehend what you read.



Again please show me where in the EULA it says, we are signing up to be scammed. Just show me it and stop avoiding it


You are accepting the games rules which are generally not included in the EULA. It is up to you whether you actually read them or not, but agreeing to the rules implies that you have read & understood them.

CCP's article on Scamming

Quote:
Scams

A scam is what happens when someone takes advantage of your misplaced trust, temporary confusion or ignorance of game rules, and robs you via legal in-game means. When this occurs, there is nothing the Support Team can do for you. Although low and despicable, scams do not violate any game mechanics and can not be compensated for by the GMs, nor can the scammers generally be punished for their actions.



When you create an account, you agree to all rules, Terms of Service, EULA's... You agree to everything.

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Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#95 - 2012-08-02 22:22:20 UTC
Oh the EULA forums lawyers ... If we go by the EULA, everything in game belongs to CCP, not you. Therefore, you never had no plex to begin with. So it could not have been scammed/stolen from you, because it was not yours.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#96 - 2012-08-02 22:23:47 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Oh the EULA forums lawyers ... If we go by the EULA, everything in game belongs to CCP, not you. Therefore, you never had no plex to begin with. So it could not have been scammed/stolen from you, because it was not yours.


Yes that's pretty much the gist of it.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#97 - 2012-08-02 22:25:23 UTC
Continuing this discussion is pointless at this point anyhow. The OP was a fake post and he will begin to get more and more faux-hysterical as folks continue to post reasonable replies.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Serphas Tisamon
Deadman W0nderland
#98 - 2012-08-02 22:26:11 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Bubanni wrote:
The reason you got scammed is because you took the risk with the wrong people, It's not their fault you used you own money to get the isk they scammed from you... scams are common in eve... may I ask where this space was?
(What alliance?) And how you found them


He mentioned TRIBAL BAND in the OP. So looks like he tried to rent space from a TEST Pet.



its our space.. we don't rent.. thanks for playing tho.. come down and we'll give you a tour sometime
Kheeria
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#99 - 2012-08-02 22:27:23 UTC
This thread.... is EPIC.

Someone mentioned that everyone at some point gets scammed, I've played on and off since 2009 and never been scammed (yay, lucky me) and I like to think this is because I use my head before doing stupid things and by that avoid them.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2012-08-02 22:28:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Tippia wrote:
Crouching Tigress wrote:
Can you show me the rule in the EULA that says you will be scammed with your real money, andyou must accept this. Tell me?
Just one problem: you were not scammed with real money.

You got scammed out of in-game currency — currency you don't even own (it's the property of CCP, and they still own it now that it appears in the scammer's wallet). The EULA doesn't prohibit this kind of scamming. In addition, as the reimbursement policy points out…
Reimbursement policy wrote:
1. Assets lost to a scam may only be reimbursed if the scammer used a verified bug to hide his intentions to scam. Generally in-game scams are allowed and considered a valid tactic as long as they are done via normal game mechanics.
2. Players are cautioned to use their best judgment when entering into agreements with other players. To avoid getting scammed, please read our article on scamming.
…it would only be illegitimate if they exploited any bugs. I'm fairly willing to bet that you simply transferred ISK to them — no bugs involved.

historically CCP hasn't approved of scammers that explicitly encourage their target to spend real-life money on PLEX (that the target will subequently be relieved from), I don't have a citation at hand but iirc it is briefly touched upon in the discussion of vote scamming in the recent CSM minutes.

that doesn't seem to be the case here, though.

@OP next time do your research, it is well-known (and would be easy to dig up with a little research) that CFC and HB alliances (and Tribal Band is honeybadger) don't rent out any space, the shortcomings of the rental system are one of mittani's favorite topics in his tentonhammer column.

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