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Planned lowsec sentry "fix" - you guys serious?

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drunk asfck
Doomheim
#901 - 2012-08-26 23:52:44 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
Issler Dainze wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Well, depends on the care bear. For example if they can get into low sec they can consider trade at stations, explore the belts, search for anomolies or even consider missions that require low sec. Don't get me wrong, this alone is not the "get the bear into low sec fix" but reducing gate camps will have to part of the solution once other carrots are put into low sec to make risk/reward make sense in this under utilized portion of space.

And to be fair I should have reworded my post. What I was really reacting to was that this issue is not "clear support against and none for", there was support for variations of the idea with players as well as those against. Not acknowledging that some folks liked the idea in general (including a few CSM) was what prompted me to post.

I don't think gate gun changes are as dead as some may have suggested. Also, the real discussion should be broader about how to improve low sec for everyone.

Issler
You are clueless.

Gate camps are not prolific. I hop into and out of lowsec many many many times per week and rarely encounter gate camps.

Rancer and Amamake are not indicative of all lowsec/highsec border systems. If you think that, then you're a damned fool.

You might want to start travelling into lowsec, Issler, before spouting off your nonsense.


I live in low sec so I definitely know what I'm talking about. Last night there was a camp on at least one of the gates ot the three systems I was running trade through for about 90% of the two hours I was on.

Our corp used to operate in a high sec bubble in the middle of low sec and because the major routes in and out were constantly camped we moved almost all our activity out.

Maybe you need to spend more time in low sec.

Issler


Wait a minute....you live in low sec, got enough people to vote for you to win a trip to Iceland and you can't bust a gate camp....


You DON'T know what you're talking about. Who cares about the 2 hours you had to play. In that time if you can't avoid or destroy a static camp with a batphone alone you should be impeached as a representative of EVE players. If you're talking about Titans bombing gates then you really don't know what you're talking about because that only happens in a couple places which are easy to avoid.

Good luck on the next contest to win a vacation with these quotes floating around....friggen clueless trader looking to be can clouded and inty ganked....what a maroon.


I regularly run the camps and the folks that voted me in largely agree with me on this. The folks that disagree aren't the ones I expect any support from. So this wouldn't have any affect if I was inclined to run again. Also, I'm not a CSM that goes to Iceland and if you ask the ones that do it is not a vacation.

Issler



so u run the camps

*snip*


wel m8 iv lived lo-se for 3+years and lived 0.0 4 years thats why i post in this thread beouse i actualy know what im on about

fact gate gun buff wil NOT stop gate camps
fact gate gun buff will kill solo/small gang pvp at gates

nothing els to it but can you please TRY and understand it will NOT stop camps

carebares already got enough to help them

regional gates /jump frieghters /cloaky ships/ intel chans / local /scouts

if the care bare cant use his head and use tools given to him they deserve to die simple

dont change something thats not broken just to babysit fck wits and mess the game for thousends of players that actualy use they heads to live in lo-sec

*snip*


EDIT: If you cannot formulate a response without resorting to petty insults then I suggest you do not post at all. Personal attacks have no place in a discussion and no place on these forums - ISD Type40.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#902 - 2012-08-27 00:43:34 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
drunk asfck wrote:



so u run the camps

*snip*

wel m8 iv lived lo-se for 3+years and lived 0.0 4 years thats why i post in this thread beouse i actualy know what im on about

fact gate gun buff wil NOT stop gate camps
fact gate gun buff will kill solo/small gang pvp at gates

nothing els to it but can you please TRY and understand it will NOT stop camps

carebares already got enough to help them

regional gates /jump frieghters /cloaky ships/ intel chans / local /scouts

if the care bare cant use his head and use tools given to him they deserve to die simple

dont change something thats not broken just to babysit fck wits and mess the game for thousends of players that actualy use they heads to live in lo-sec

*snip*


Show me on this teddy bear where the carebear touched you.

Seriously, you're going to have a stroke. Relax ;).

On topic. The change hasn't gone into effect. Your gatecamps are still relatively easy mode and risk-free for the spawn campers. No need for all this crying and animosity yet. Give it a chance to be tweaked.


EDIT: Pardon the intrusion, just editing that quote - ISD Type40.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
drunk asfck
Doomheim
#903 - 2012-08-27 00:47:38 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
that the best you got m8 ? lmfao

just stateing the facts

fact 1 : *snip*

fact 2 : gun buff WONT stop camping

fact 3 : gun buff WILL stop solo/small scale pvp at gates


EDIT: Again, resorting to petty insults and personal attacks will not be tolerated. Do not do it - ISD Type40.
Frying Doom
#904 - 2012-08-27 00:49:42 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
drunk asfck wrote:



so u run the camps

*snip*

wel m8 iv lived lo-se for 3+years and lived 0.0 4 years thats why i post in this thread beouse i actualy know what im on about

fact gate gun buff wil NOT stop gate camps
fact gate gun buff will kill solo/small gang pvp at gates

nothing els to it but can you please TRY and understand it will NOT stop camps

carebares already got enough to help them

regional gates /jump frieghters /cloaky ships/ intel chans / local /scouts

if the care bare cant use his head and use tools given to him they deserve to die simple

dont change something thats not broken just to babysit fck wits and mess the game for thousends of players that actualy use they heads to live in lo-sec

*snip*


Show me on this teddy bear where the carebear touched you.

Seriously, you're going to have a stroke. Relax ;).

A stroke, I am surprised he hasn't started to bash him self around the head with his monitor. The rage is incredible.

Oh and strangely having different types of people on the CSM means that there are different views of the game. So yes having a CSM member not agree with you is good, if they all did then the rest of the game would not have a voice.

If you feel you POV isn't expressed on the current CSM, run for CSM or back someone who does. Tell everyone in game why you feel you or your candidate needs to get in.

EG. Educate the Populous.


EDIT: Sorry for the intrusion, just editing that quote - ISD Type40.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#905 - 2012-08-27 00:51:04 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
drunk asfck wrote:
that the best you got m8 ? lmfao

just stateing the facts

fact 1 : *snip*

fact 2 : gun buff WONT stop camping

fact 3 : gun buff WILL stop solo/small scale pvp at gates

Facts require evidence or they are just random guesses.

Please state your evidence.


EDIT: Pardon the intrusion, just editing that quote - ISD Type40.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#906 - 2012-08-27 00:53:27 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
drunk asfck wrote:
that the best you got m8 ? lmfao

just stateing the facts

fact 1 : *snip*

fact 2 : gun buff WONT stop camping

fact 3 : gun buff WILL stop solo/small scale pvp at gates


I don't think fact means what you think it means.


EDIT: Sorry, just had to edit that quote - ISD type40.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
Sergeant Nuisance
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#907 - 2012-08-27 01:19:32 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
drunk asfck wrote:
that the best you got m8 ? lmfao

just stateing the facts

fact 1 : *snip*

fact 2 : gun buff WONT stop camping

fact 3 : gun buff WILL stop solo/small scale pvp at gates


*In fact* I don't think fact means what you think it means.



FIXED


EDIT: Just had to edit that quote, sorry - ISD type40.
ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#908 - 2012-08-27 01:54:21 UTC
It seems that my last request was ignored, so I shall repeat it for the last time. If you cannot respond to something on these forums without resorting to hurling insults then please do not post at all, foul language and personal attacks do nothing but kill good discussions and get threads locked.

So please, post sensibly and respectfully and lets try and keep this discussion on topic, thank you.





Foul language, personal attacks and off topic posts removed - ISD Type40.

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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#909 - 2012-08-27 03:17:33 UTC
ISD TYPE40 wrote:
It seems that my last request was ignored, so I shall repeat it for the last time. If you cannot respond to something on these forums without resorting to hurling insults then please do not post at all, foul language and personal attacks do nothing but kill good discussions and get threads locked.

So please, post sensibly and respectfully and lets try and keep this discussion on topic, thank you.





Foul language, personal attacks and off topic posts removed - ISD Type40.



You create a game that attracts:
people with serious hate issues,
people that like to pull the wings off flies,
kids with massive inferiority complexes,
people with serious drug and alcohol problems, ......
then you expect them to play nice on the forums?

Priceless.......Lol

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Geth Skor
Doomheim
#910 - 2012-08-27 03:31:57 UTC
Not bothering to read 45 pages of posts but...

As a an old time pirate back when pirating was actually hunting people who were ratting low sec because it was actually worthwhile compared to empire isk sources, I can say changes like this could have some interesting effects.

I never liked how there was zero chance to engage people at gates in a frig. I think even more interesting if instead of low damage with a ramp up, it was just a flat timer of say 5 minutes before total hell death would rain down on you from the sentry guns.

This would stop the perma-camping/smart bombing of gates, but give "pirates" of all ship sizes and fleet sizes opportunities to engage targets at gates. It would also force pirates to go back to acting like pirates and not just low sec corps who behave as if they are at war with everyone in low sec.

At the same time though, this change alone wouldn't fix low sec or pirating. Big overhauls need to be made to other systems that have nothing to do with pirating directly to bring it back to the glory days.

Believe it or not, the thought of generating good isk in high sec only was a joke at one time.
Ahab Mare
yCATbIE KPA6bI
#911 - 2012-10-29 07:11:54 UTC
I think its wrong way to put more players i low sec, sentry guns will not help to remove pirats from low sec, you should consider something else. And what is "pirat". To be a pirat becouse game mechanics say that you are, its wrong. I see me like a free player who likes to shot things what I see in overview and enjoy this game.
Musaab Osman
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#912 - 2012-10-29 07:58:16 UTC
This is excellent. Gates should definitely be guarded properly by sentry guns. Criminals need to face justice.

They'll beat someone to death, and if you videotape it, they'll beat you to death.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#913 - 2012-10-29 08:07:14 UTC
Dead thread should remain dead, are they even doing this now?


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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#914 - 2012-10-29 08:09:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Four and a half minutes does sound pretty extreme.

But the new changes seem to indicate something different.

They're saying now that the gate guns will shoot only on sec status loss, and that the guns will stop shooting as soon as you warp off grid from the guns. Ie, when you warp back they wont be firing at you unless you commit another offence. Which is awesome for gate campers.

Also, where did that text from Greyscale come from? As far as I'm aware I haven't seen anything about this linked to Retribution.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#915 - 2012-10-29 08:21:53 UTC
Yeah but how long would it take to kill a dual ASB ship?

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#916 - 2012-10-29 08:47:23 UTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsac7vlOsNg

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Josef Djugashvilis
#917 - 2012-10-29 08:53:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
Perhaps CCP could trial this for a few months.

More folk in lo-sec and more pvp, keep changes.

Less folk in lo-sec and less pvp, undo changes.

More folk in lo-sec and less pvp, well, that would be interesting.

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Darius Falc
Unforeseen Consequences.
Valkyrie Alliance
#918 - 2012-10-29 19:12:36 UTC
When they say "Gate guns will shoot anyone with a criminal flag" does that mean according to the new flagging types "Gate guns will shoot anyone with below -0.5 sec status?

DF.
Viktor Fel
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#919 - 2012-10-29 19:48:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Viktor Fel
Issler Dainze wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Oh, and…
Issler Dainze wrote:
I've been asking for progressively stronger gate guns in low sec for years. This is a great change that is long overdue!
…good, then you can explain why this would in any way be a good change.


Gate guns in low sec were put there for a reason and were never intended to be perma-camped. Over time the ships improved and now they can be. Mostly all the guns do now is pop new players that don't understand the aggression mechanics.

This makes folks have to look for fights in the belts or other areas of the system instead of lazily sitting at a gate waiting for hapless victims.

There you go, explanation provided.

Issler


Epic fail in reasoning CSM.

Does some one looking to rob a freight truck go to the local bank? No, they don;t...they look for the highways and interstate routes. Does some one trying to to hijack and ransom an oil tanker go out in the middle of the ocean? No!...the grab Bowdich and find the shipping lanes and aids to navigation and they 'camp' that crap until the Mersk hauler or Shell tanker comes along!

A lot of things were not intended, but they are and they provide something different. What part of the work low in low security are you not understanding?

Perma camps/smart bombs I can see what you and a few others are saying on that stuff. I get that part, but I would like to see a balanced approach to it.

Who is Viktor Fel?

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Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#920 - 2012-10-29 20:05:34 UTC
Procced with cookie cutter responses.....HTFU, Adapt, Rage quit pls, Dont goto to low sec.

Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.