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Planned lowsec sentry "fix" - you guys serious?

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Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#561 - 2012-08-05 12:11:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Ulmagod wrote:
Here is a typical reason why this change has been proposed.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Tee+Kay
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kuromugi
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Endureth

These leet pilots sit on the Amamake/Osoggur gate in their Loki's and Tengu's with almost instalock abilities and kill everything that comes through the gate. Like shooting fish in a barrel. Adapt you say, get a fleet up and bait them you say. Well they have thought of that, they have an Orca with them at zero on the gate. If anything remotely dangerous happens, they dock on the Orca and it jumps to high sec.

They are getting wonderful KB stats but what are they really achieving? Making low sec inaccessible for casuals and noobs that's what.

They sit on that gate for a few hours most evenings going ctrl click on their overview with their guns cycling every few minutes. Must be hilarious fun and then they have the analysis of their killboard stats later. Wow I can't wait to be that good.

It is a shame, cause generally I'd be against this change, but when you've got people doing this you can see where CCP are coming from.

+1 to this change.


This will be a common thing you hear from those that love Greyscale's idea - "BUT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO GET THROUGH THESE DAMN CAMPS".

And you're right. I lost my fair share of ships to this as well. Eventually though I learned that there was this cool system nearby called Dammalin that had a gate to low sec Heimatar that almost NEVER has these camps.

And yes, fine, I've ruined it - now the pirates will camp there too. The point is I've never once logged into the game where the Heretic Army or any other group that enjoys this has managed to pin down every single gate to high sec across several regions at once. There's ALWAYS a way to get some place if you're creative. Saving someone the effort of thinking outside the box just isn't a good enough reason to hammer another pilot's game play style.

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ANGRY23
Safety Set To Red
Train Wreck.
#562 - 2012-08-05 12:12:14 UTC
Nyla Skin wrote:
Quote:
CCP Greyscale moves on to explain his work on sentry guns. Sentry guns will now shoot anyone with a criminal flag, suspect or otherwise. Sentry guns will also start with smaller amounts of damage, and ramp up with time. Ideal tuning will be to where triage carriers will die at around 4 1/2 minutes. This way, if you want to use triage carriers in lowsec on gates you can, but you must commit to the cycle for a length of time before starting your reps, if you want to deactivate triage before the sentry guns kill you and jump out. CCP Greyscale also points out that another goal is to make it so that the first couple of hits won't kill an interceptor immediately, enabling a quick tackle, and then a warp out.


Hah! This is actually pretty cool. Those triage carriers need to die.


What triage carriers? PPL dont gatecamp in triage archons, never have, never will and this just proves that in using the triage carrier in his example that mr greyfail has no clue about the game mechanics he is hell bent on breaking.
ANGRY23
Safety Set To Red
Train Wreck.
#563 - 2012-08-05 12:18:22 UTC
Thank you for the update Hans it is appreciated and i look forward to hearing how it goes. Keep us posted please .
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#564 - 2012-08-05 12:25:58 UTC
All I hear is "wah, I can't gate camp in my instalocking T3's with off grid boosts and an orca so I can run from people that will kill me"

As they like to say here, HTFU.

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Andrest Disch
Doctrine.
FEARLESS.
#565 - 2012-08-05 12:33:54 UTC
Schalac wrote:
All I hear is "wah, I can't gate camp in my instalocking T3's with off grid boosts and an orca so I can run from people that will kill me"

As they like to say here, HTFU.



Yeah, the pirates are crying because they'll be able to use inties instead of elaborate and expensive t3 setups to catch people on gates.

Are you actually reading this thread.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#566 - 2012-08-05 12:38:01 UTC
Andrest Disch wrote:
Schalac wrote:
All I hear is "wah, I can't gate camp in my instalocking T3's with off grid boosts and an orca so I can run from people that will kill me"

As they like to say here, HTFU.



Yeah, the pirates are crying because they'll be able to use inties instead of elaborate and expensive t3 setups to catch people on gates.

Are you actually reading this thread.

Mate, it's simply more people without a clue. The ignorance in these threads amazes me tbh.

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Joneleth Rein
#567 - 2012-08-05 13:32:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Joneleth Rein
+1 on this change.

And to me it feels like it promotes a more important change. No perma-camping in low-sec. Or at least not easy perma-camping anymore. Not because people can't get through. But because low-sec is under empire control and it's not totally lawless like null (ahem security status). If a corp(pirate or not) wants to enforce system/pipe control it should be a little more easier than sitting on a gate with 20-100 people. Of course a corp/alliance can move to null if they have such aspirations for system(s) control. Plus it will actually help smaller low-sec dwelling corps to survive without having pipes controlled by null-sec alliances or their allies (or at least not that easily)

For me it feels like an awsome change,making things a bit more even in an area which was more dead than null sometimes. On the side it will allow easier travel which means easier access to null as well for those that want to avoid a more heavilly pirated system. More players=more content for everyone. Hell. Even FW benefits from this. Since essentially it will keep the gates clear from non-FW targets (again up to a point).

My 2 isk.

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Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#568 - 2012-08-05 13:51:54 UTC
Lol There is one of these posts on every page "I believe this change is awesome because it will stop all the perma camp everywhere and boost low sec traffic bla bla..." /sigh UghCryWhat?
betoli
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#569 - 2012-08-05 13:54:24 UTC
Ensign X wrote:
Tippia wrote:
there are no particular riches in lowsec to be exploited


I beg to differ, but we can agree to disagree. I'm not saying Lowsec couldn't use some love, it sure as hell could, but there's plenty of reward already there for those who are willing to seek it out.


You seem to be in a minority with that view....
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#570 - 2012-08-05 14:15:08 UTC
Just fix the orca bug and there is really no problem with gate camps, if you take a shortcut though a busy system its your own fault when you inevitably die.

Why nerf docking in carriers? If they want to stick a carrier on the gate to scoop T3s I have no problem with that, they won't be doing it for long.
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#571 - 2012-08-05 14:25:09 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Andrest Disch wrote:
Schalac wrote:
All I hear is "wah, I can't gate camp in my instalocking T3's with off grid boosts and an orca so I can run from people that will kill me"

As they like to say here, HTFU.



Yeah, the pirates are crying because they'll be able to use inties instead of elaborate and expensive t3 setups to catch people on gates.

Are you actually reading this thread.

Mate, it's simply more people without a clue. The ignorance in these threads amazes me tbh.

And you are the one claiming that this is somehow a nerf.. I am in the other end of the spectrum. I believe that this really is a boost to lowsec and honestly if you think that camping gates is the only way to make money in lowsec then you fail at EVE.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#572 - 2012-08-05 14:30:13 UTC
Schalac wrote:
And you are the one claiming that this is somehow a nerf.. I am in the other end of the spectrum. I believe that this really is a boost to lowsec and honestly if you think that camping gates is the only way to make money in lowsec then you fail at EVE.
It is a nerf, no doubt about that.

Oh and please point to where I said camping is the only way to make money in low sec. Blink

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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#573 - 2012-08-05 14:34:46 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Schalac wrote:
And you are the one claiming that this is somehow a nerf.. I am in the other end of the spectrum. I believe that this really is a boost to lowsec and honestly if you think that camping gates is the only way to make money in lowsec then you fail at EVE.
It is a nerf, no doubt about that.

Oh and please point to where I said camping is the only way to make money in low sec. Blink
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1746540#post1746540
Mag's wrote:
Nice post and I couldn't have said it better myself.

I have said it before, if we killed everything, we'd be doing it wrong. We are there to make ISK and right now because low sec has no real benefit outside of high and null, our money making area is a gate.
Instead of nerfing our only money making spot, why not create more money making spots? Boost low, don't nerf it.


Hurry and edit your post about the gate area being the money maker in lowsec.

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#574 - 2012-08-05 14:37:32 UTC
Ensign X wrote:
Ris Dnalor wrote:
live in lowsec for awhile. Then you'll laugh at your own post. Unless of course your description of "operate" means to go for months without ever dying. Dying is a part of living in lowsec. That's not a problem, that's a good thing.

Now, there should be better rewards to help offset that risk, but that risk should never ever ever be taken away. and it should be more common, not less.


I have lived in Lowsec for most of the past 9 months. I've run into and chatted on occasion to a number of your fellow R1FTAs. I appreciate what you and your kind do, but we have different viewpoints on the same subject based on separate experiences. It happens. In my sandbox, Lowsec exists for it's riches to be exploited by skilled pilots. In your sandbox, Lowsec exists to blow **** up.


So, is to much to freaking ask that CCP make us both happy?!! Twisted


joking aside, I think there is much to be done with risk vs. reward.... on the reward side... like boosting lowsec rewards and cutting high sec ones.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#575 - 2012-08-05 14:40:28 UTC
Schalac wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Schalac wrote:
And you are the one claiming that this is somehow a nerf.. I am in the other end of the spectrum. I believe that this really is a boost to lowsec and honestly if you think that camping gates is the only way to make money in lowsec then you fail at EVE.
It is a nerf, no doubt about that.

Oh and please point to where I said camping is the only way to make money in low sec. Blink
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1746540#post1746540
Mag's wrote:
Nice post and I couldn't have said it better myself.

I have said it before, if we killed everything, we'd be doing it wrong. We are there to make ISK and right now because low sec has no real benefit outside of high and null, our money making area is a gate.
Instead of nerfing our only money making spot, why not create more money making spots? Boost low, don't nerf it.


Hurry and edit your post about the gate area being the money maker in lowsec.
So, please point to where I said camping is the only way to make money in low sec.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#576 - 2012-08-05 14:42:02 UTC
Mag's you must be dense.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#577 - 2012-08-05 14:44:12 UTC
Schalac wrote:
Mag's you must be dense.
No, I simply can read and comprehend the English language.

So go on, please point to where I said camping is the only way to make money in low sec.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#578 - 2012-08-05 14:46:38 UTC
If I read it correctly the first few shots won't deal much damage, this is to allow small tackle.

This may mean we can "prime" the guns using newbie alts so boost sentry DPS when it suits our cause. =)

~1.8m damage done in 4.5 minutes = 6,666 Damage per second, =)

Now with 100% less Troll.
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#579 - 2012-08-05 14:55:39 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Schalac wrote:
Mag's you must be dense.
No, I simply can read and comprehend the English language.

So go on, please point to where I said camping is the only way to make money in low sec.

You are hilariously dumb.

Mag's wrote:
I have said it before, if we killed everything, we'd be doing it wrong. We are there to make ISK and right now because low sec has no real benefit outside of high and null, our money making area is a gate.
Instead of nerfing our only money making spot, why not create more money making spots? Boost low, don't nerf it.


Now if you meant "I simply cannot read and comprehend the English language" then you would be right. I /b/u the important parts of your words though so as to help you read and comprehend the English language.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#580 - 2012-08-05 14:59:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Schalac wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Schalac wrote:
Mag's you must be dense.
No, I simply can read and comprehend the English language.

So go on, please point to where I said camping is the only way to make money in low sec.

You are hilariously dumb.

Mag's wrote:
I have said it before, if we killed everything, we'd be doing it wrong. We are there to make ISK and right now because low sec has no real benefit outside of high and null, our money making area is a gate.
Instead of nerfing our only money making spot, why not create more money making spots? Boost low, don't nerf it.


Now if you meant "I simply cannot read and comprehend the English language" then you would be right. I /b/u the important parts of your words though so as to help you read and comprehend the English language.
Here, let me help you. You seem to be having difficulty.

"our" money making spot. "our" only money making spot.

Which is not.

"The" money making spot. "The" only money making spot.

So go on, please point to where I said camping is the only way to make money in low sec.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.