EVE General Discussion

You talk about talking to noobs and trying to help them but from what ive read it seems you your self are a noob who doesnt understand this game, your ideas a perception of low sec is so far off the mark its laughable, you seem completely clueless on how this game works.

It actually takes a competent set of PvP'ers to maintain a gatecamp for any period of time, especially if its a small gang. Sitting in one place blapping stuff is a massive "come at me bro" sign that begs to be broken in half. I'd love to know where everyone's hanging out in low sec where these wonderful scanners and probes will unearth all sorts of juicy stuff to fight. Anomolies? Asteroid belts? POCO's ?

This is some really lame smacktalk. If you have something to contribute, contribute. But slamming players who clearly have quite a bit more PvP experience than you and really understand the low sec lifestyle isn't going to impress anyone, certainly not myself or the developers.

Join ingame channel "Stop the Rot" and lets come together and be one voice against this stupidity.

I'm totally looking forward to these changes !
They are great ! :D

Re-read the post. I was responding to the person that said that we shouldn't give industrial upgrades to FW systems because pirates deserve them too - and explaining why that didn't make any sense.

I've never once said escalating gate guns is a good idea for lowsec - don't put words in my mouth.

When did I say it was l33t PvP ? Again, I totally get why you guys are upset, but there's no need to put words in my mouth. I'm not the enemy here - what purpose does it serve the low sec community to try to discredit one of the few people that's in a position to really help you prevent this proposal?

EDIT - nevermind. I see now you're one of the ones that thinks low sec needs to be arbitrarily safer to attract people to come out to do all the awesome PvE / Industry stuff out here. No wonder you're not happy with my responses.

Right. Competent =/= L33t last time I checked.

Mate nit picking doesn't win arguments either


Tal

Right now hans nothing u have said on these forums regarding this that makes me think "this dudes on our side". You are at the end of the day an EVE player like the rest of us yet u seem to be intent on sitting on the fence regarding this issue. If i missed your post saying "ur right guys u can count on me to fight your corner on this one" then i apologise. We the players u claim to represent have little faith in you or your CSM collegues right now as you sat like mutes and let this idea get discussed without objection. I wouldnt go to a board meeting and sit silent incase the boss didnt like what i said and stopped my perks, stand up and be counted dude.

Also feel fre to join my channel and have a chat regarding this with like minded individuals "Stop the Rot". We the players pay for this product and when RL isk is involved ppl get cranky and hit the roof when stupid decisions or ideas get forced on us, thats just life. We dont wanna pay 9.99 a month for an inferior product (most pirates dont run only one account so potentially 20 or 30 quid a month) where our opinions are constantly ignored

Also i cant see anything regarding this in CSM forum did i miss it or is it not worth talking about in there cause ur the only one interested.

I've already written to Greyscale on the internal CSM / CCP forums about this issue, urging him to engage the community or at very least myself and to make clear the problem he was trying to solve with buffing the guns to the point where they'll destroy any gang breaking the law. I've also warned him of the chilling effect this will have on PvP in low sec in general, and asked him if there was any serious indication that there was some flood of low sec activity that the current PvP culture prevents.

I've coupled it by asking to review him to review with the CSM the status of any work regarding security status, catching us up to date on anything he's reconsidered since the summit. The work hasn't begun in earnest on Winter Expansion yet, so there's no need to panic that anything's been decided at this point in time. I've also linked for CCP Greyscale Jack Dant's low sec improvement package as an example of the type of change many of us in low sec would like to see. My message has been clear - Lowsec PvP is the ultimate prize out here, if you want to keep low sec healthy you keep the PvP culture alive. There might be one day where they choose to give low sec some unique and treasured resource that entices a host of activity, but in the mean time the PvP is our resource and we need to be sensible when we look at something as critical as gate guns.

As for the CSM forum - like I said, this has been posted to discuss in our internal forums. We use the public CSM forums to receive ideas, not to engage CCP directly. That's why you haven't seen a bunch of public pitchforking from me (and probably never will except in extreme emergency) because it's literally a waste of words and time.