EVE General Discussion

I'd much rather teach the noobs about how to get around lowsec safely than make the game easier just because they're too afraid to come out here. Eve is a tough game, where we hold players responsible for learning not only the rules, but also the pilot tricks and techniques they need to survive. Often times, those lessons are learned through a good hard podding, and that's good stuff.

This idea that solo travel is nullified is utter hogwash. Sorry, but it's true. I've lived in and around Amamake, arguably the most dangerous system in EVE, and I not only travel solo, I haul valuable materials, move fitted ships for war, and even pod from place to place. This is made possible using my two favorite ships (Prowler and Mastodon, now with even more beautiful artwork than ever) and some common sense bookmarks and scanning techniques - not to mention cloaks, interceptors, and yes, even warp core stabilizers. Don't let ANYONE ever make you feel guilty for fitting these, folks - if you're actually just looking to travel. (You PvP-ers that fit them are bunch of cowards. Grow up and fit something that will let you kill more ships). I'd also like to add that I *rarely* ever use scouts anymore, I'm just far too lazy. I do most of my movement with one account. Low sec is incredibly safe if you know what you're doing, even in pirate-infested territory and Faction Warfare strongholds.

My point is, I've always felt the gate guns need to be LESS restrictive in many ways. What excited me about the summit proposal was the enabling of more frigate use on gates, not the OMGDEATHOFALLPVP potential many here fear. I was more excited just to hear that they were still serious about examining sentry fire, and I knew full well I'd have my work cut out after the summit, first in talking with you all here about Greyscale's proposal, and seeing if we can come up with something much better to propose to CCP instead.

I would like to say that sentries are currently working as intended but I don't know as they eliminate entire ship classes because they are instapopped or popped after a few seconds but these changes are not the fix that is needed for this issue. What is the point of triage carriers when 30 seconds to the end of your triage cycle you are popped from sentry guns? There isn't and we have the frigate problem only reversed.

I think that CCP (at this point in time) should be fixing lowsec as a whole by adding more reasons for people to go there except for casual PvPers then focusing on problems like sentry guns and undock games.

that last bit. yea that one. I'm all for allowing frigates to fight at gates, but that could be accomplished by adding a simple delay before sentry guns begin to fire.

It's a trojan horse, however, inside of which is hiding the gate gun boost that allows them to take out TRIAGE fit carriers!

So, does it ramp up indefinately? Would 12 Triage Carriers remote repping each other be able to spider tank the guns or would that cause them to power up to the point that they blow us all back thru the eve-gate to Earth? If they do manage to tank the sentries in some fashion would this be deemed an exploit?

And what about sniping ships? Now you can comfortably snipe gate-traffic while sitting outside sentry-gun range. Is this being considered as part of the equation at all, or will we simply nerf the non-sniping-capable battlecruisers at low sec gates?

It's silly. The whole thing.

I still think there's no need for gate guns in low sec period. Stations fine, but not at gates.

I have lived in Lowsec for most of the past 9 months. I've run into and chatted on occasion to a number of your fellow R1FTAs. I appreciate what you and your kind do, but we have different viewpoints on the same subject based on separate experiences. It happens. In my sandbox, Lowsec exists for it's riches to be exploited by skilled pilots. In your sandbox, Lowsec exists to blow **** up.

Your sandbox is very strange… there are no particular riches in lowsec to be exploited — that's the whole problem. Solve that, and the rest will come on its own.

see I might agree it's just most lowsec isn't camped. If most lowsec entrances were camped then hell yes sentries would need a fix but from what I've seen nearly every lowsec gate is empty. hell a bunch of 0.0 entry gates are empty too. the other weekend I jumped into m-oee8 and p3en-e and neither was camped. oh and did I mention I went through a whole bunch of lowsec to get there?

where are you talking to these noobs anyways? can you tell them to get their heads out of their asses and press f10?

TO be honest, the low-sec/0.0 border systems have ALWAYS been barren compared to the 0.0/high sec border systems. hence "Get the pod, get the pod!"

Yeah so basicly selfish players, who don't care about improving eve as a whole, looking to protect their source of easy kills that queue nice and single file for your death-camp. And you're against more targets coming into low-sec because....... you'll actually having to go and look for them in system? Is that pretty much the basis for all of this whining from low-sec pvp "pros"? I've yet to hear a decent argument for why this change would be a bad thing. Whining and threatening to unsub don't count btw.

Man you guys must really, really suck at pvp if all you can do is alpha the first fool that pops through a gate. I'm guessing directional scanners and probes must be something you don't need at all. I'm guessing its been a long, long time since you've had to look for your prey.

The whole point is to repopulate low-sec, and making it safer for people move to low and null. Opening the door, and making it harder for there to be a fleet waiting, doesn't change their vunerablility. The only difference is that they'll be in system collecting stuff. So more targets, but no-longer just as simple as turning up at a gate and blasting everything tasty that comes through.

OMG HOW UNFAIR IS THAT!!!!

Stop assuming that people go to low-sec for anything but a shortcut to get to their destination in safe space. Aside from the pirates themselves, and their FW bros; but then again, these people know how to deal with gate camps anyway.

If people don't die in gate camps, they won't die at all, because they're not there to stay in the first place. Why? Because there's no reason to.

I killed my last guy in a low-sec belt sometime around 2006.


Yeah, you'd have to read the thread for that, and that would require much more work than just skimming through the first page, wouldn't it?

The ignorance in that post is staggering.

I will say well played sir, you trolled us all.