EVE General Discussion

Might mean that I can actually jump into amamake without dieing to the PL titans that just sit there smart bombing the gates all day.

How the bollocks is this going to stop gatecamps on low sec entries? Inties being allowed to stick around and point for a close in warp of the friendly fleet before popping is utterly ********.

There will be a small rush of people that may try to get in low sec, then they'll realise that people like me can scan you down and catch you very quickly or at the least stop you doing anything because now we know where your missions/plex/sex shop is.

I want gatecamps stopped, I hate them... dull as **** and no skill but this is not the solution. All this will do is move the low sec pvp people that stay subbed to null sec...

OMG I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE CCP!

Just wanted to stop by and confirm that no, none of us want to see low sec PvP wiped from the map ;)

I'm a criminal, nearly -10 myself. I live in lowsec. Probably 50% of my kills are on gates. This **** matters, but the reality is that this meeting was about Winter crimewatch changes. Not stuff that's coming out in Inferno 1.2 next week. If you see this kind of stuff on patch notes, and you haven't ever heard the CSM say anything about it? By all means, burn down the house. But rest assured none of this is set in stone. Sometimes the developers will say that the thought process is that "______ will do ______" and they don't literally mean that this is how this is happening tomorrow.

If you really want to continue the blame game and need someone to spitroast, throw darts at, or just scream out when you're shooting people in the face on DUST, go ahead and pin it on me, I was the one that wrote the session to begin with.

Understand these were compiled using multiple rewinds, and I often would slow down sections of dialogue just to make sure I caught key words and phrases. The problem is that by zooming in at this level, it becomes difficult to than step back and say "Hmmmm someone else is going to hear this differently." (Everyone involved was there at the meeting and knew full well it was conceptual and not set in stone. We're all a bit myopic in this regard)

I've certainly learned a valuable lesson in tone and word choice, and we will certainly be careful to look for every opportunity to disclaimer the next set of minutes wherever appropriate to avoid this kind of miscommunication. I'll be discussing this with CCP Manifest myself next time I see him, so we all remember to keep this in mind next time around.

I appreciate everyone's patience as we ease back on the frustration and move back into a constructive dialogue about the proposed mechanics. Remember - it took a lot of courage for devs like CCP Greyscale to share their design ideas so early, and than to allow themselves to be quoted on top of that. This was precisely the fear that we all had (CSM and CCP alike), that one small error can lead to a huge community response that does more harm than good.

As long as we keep it respectful and give the devs some credit for opening up like this hopefully we'll continue to be a part of this design process as early as possible. This kind of discussion is what we're really after, in the end. If the devs take away from this incident that there's no benefit in public spitballing, we've all squandered a tremendous opportunity.

You people are focusing on the wrong thing. Lowsec sucks. It's a buffer between two hugely popular and populated zones because the risk v. reward of the area is wildly imbalanced. Permanent gate camps exist on many High to Low entry points with the intention of catching and destroying anything that comes through, including any and all newer players who either venture there without fulling knowing the consequences or who venture there to see what the fuss is and get their feet wet. Even many newer players are leery of traveling through Lowsec because they're well aware of many existing and permanent gate camps on the entry points.

CCP wants and needs to do something to invigorate Lowsec and pushing Pirates and campers off the Highsec > Lowsec entry gates is one way to do it. The concept they've come up with in this early stage is insignificant next to the intent of the design, which is to increase traffic which benefits everybody. When all is said and done and CCP's design is modified to suit the desires of the community, if they accomplish nothing else beyond forcing gate camps off entry points, the design will be successful and traffic will increase.