EVE General Discussion

Not all of course but most of those "expert" camps have at least one ceptor sensor boosted to hell, why? -because this is how you get the better kills: cloacky haulers, cloacky recons/bombers with juicy stuff, everything else is just a bonus.
Of course there are a lot of camps not even using those ceptors because all they need is logistics and let smarties do the job, almost nothing survives to those camps.

So this change is again something that wouldn't be needed if some game mechanic was not exploited to the last bone and for years now. People complain ***** and moan so lvl4's come to low, no body will ever come to low for those not more they will ever come to low for 5's better ore/ice belts and free research/invention slots because a few features do not work as they should (of course you already know this)

The fact you can't tank any more gate/station guns is something overdue, fights will still happen because good players will use strong probing skill characters to get fights and counters, we already do this in null unlike many people think it's all about 400 vs 10.
It's not making low sec safer it's adjusting mechanics to current game, people will still engage if they do it wisely because actions WILL have consequences plus, the fact ships got several ehp buffs but sentry never.

Because fighting a noob 10v1 is a FIGHT

Who ever said the people compaining are the peopel who want fights I have to disagee.

The peopel complaining are mid to low level pvpers who can only hang around a gate all dar, couple of scouts dossing about on ts, waiting for a lone guy to come through to "stats pad" thier killboard status's

People who actualy want a "fight" roam into enemys territorys and areas looking for a fight.



To review... gate camping/station games is not PVP

And where do you think that fight is going to happen?

Oh, on a gate.

Doh.

-Liang

I think Liang is bad at probing

How is it more dangerous, when you're supporting making it far less dangerous?

This is a distinction worth noting. Some pirates are in it for profit and are actually "good fight" adverse because good fights don't pay like juicy haulers, and gate guns aren't a big deal because fights against haulers are very short. Others are not really pirates... they are PvPers who are looking for good or any fights, and they will hate this because most fights happen around gates, and this change will make it impossible to have a "good fight" by a gate.

But for the occasional 'gudfite' how many ganks will happen. If the campers waited for gudfites and left the noobs alone it would be a different story. but they don't.

If I could like this post a thousand times, I would.

No it isn't, and that's exactly the point.

Have you ever heard of 'pounce camping'?
It's a method currently employed by (among others) gatecampers under GCC that do not have an active tank or logi support. The idea is you sit like 1000km off gate at a bookmark, aligned and ready to warp if the scout reports incoming.

If the gate gun change goes through as planned, we will still be able to do this. In fact all camping will become like this. It's just as easy to accomplish as a regular camp and has essentially the same effect for the victim (by the time you've completed jump and loaded grid, the camp has already landed in position)

The other alternative is the cloaky camp, usually done with proteuses (protei?) and rapiers, employed when victims are suspected of having their own scouts. A friendly scout is again used to notify of high value targets coming to the gate so that everyone is prepared and decloak delays are eliminated. This would become easy to do with the new system, after a kill is made the camp warps off, cloaks, warps back to the gate at range while GCC'd.

Camps will still happen, they will be just as prevalent as they are now, they will simply be harder to detect as they will be off grid or cloaked.

Random fights however, the bread and butter of lowsec PvP, will cease to occur. When we get 3-4 guys together in BC's and go for a roam, say 10 jumps out, we'll be most likely to be fighting anything we find on a gate, it'll usually be one or two BC's, maybe another small gang like us. It's just a fact of EVE that people aren't stopping in lowsec to smell the roses, they're on their way through it to get somewhere, be it a high sec or null, be it PvE or trying to find a fight of their own. The gates are where the small gang fights happen, and personally all of the really good small/medium fights I've been in have been escalations (usually on stations) that at one point or another involved someone committing to taking GCC with no chance of docking, jumping or warping. That simply won't happen in the new system, people won't engage at all with sentries around. Nobody is going to throw down the metaphorical glove and take it to a planet either, because everyone knows It's A Tarp
Make gate guns superpowered death rays and you will eliminate the essence of lowsec. The only PvP will be gate camps and probing out stupid mission runners. That sounds absolutely fracking horrible.