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Alliance Tournament is effectively instanced by virtue of being in Jove space - very unlikely that somebody will probe down the arena/the ships in the arena and then crash their party.

Straight up transcript. It helps give the CSM more of a human feel and less of some faceless gimmick it has portrayed in the past.

This will be a nice read!

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Reading this really surprized me, Comments as follows. Some were well on the ball, but the live events topic got to me, as I keep my experience from the sansha events as the highpoint of my time in eve.

Most importantly, I think can get into where they were talking about live events and just sat talking about the caravans. The most success for live events were the sansha incursions and barely touched on with more people showing up for them than any fleet battle ever to occur in null security. Largest fleet fight was a bit over 2000, but largest live event was when kuvakei attacked yulai and the response to it was alot larger and was pretty much open to all players.

The comments about industry being more like PI I did like. If production was staged so more advanced ships had more stagings would be great. Make industrial production line rentings, pos factories etc have the input output and chains for components would be excellent. More active players can run their production at a faster rate for more iskies.

Mining seems the right track. I always felt that majority of mining time should be active means of prospecting, once you find, you mine and can get out. Yields and what you find would need to be changed to maintain overall gathering and earning.

Poses, still what we have been hoping for, I guess if you flog a dead horse long enough.... I especially like the idea of "Cities in space" Hopefully combined with other changes and further improvements to sov, hopefully alliances can operate more localized. With regional control becoming something exceptional!

Some of the later topics not many comments. But have it half read and now time to sleep.

pretty awesome read for hte most part, wary about arenas as such but liking everything else ... I WANT T1 CRUISER BALANCING NOW!!!

Having read a bit further, I have the impression that what we're going to get this year is (at least from the player perspective) pretty minor stuff like crimewatch, a little ship rebalancing and... well, that's pretty much it. Plans for next year include a new POS system with cities in space and stuff like ring mining and a new mining system... huge, visible changes.

I feel that either those plans might be unrealistic or that this year will be a lot less productive than next year, which begs the question why this should be so?

edit: About plans for a new "fantasy fitting window":


What's the point in diverting precious resources to something that already exists? One could argue that the client should have had a feature like this from the beginning, so there would have been no need for third parties to develop separate applications for this. But now that those applications do exist and are excellent (EFT/PYFA), why waste manpower replicating in-game what they already do? That makes no sense.

On a sidenote, building fittings in EFT is something I mostly do when I cannot access the actual client. I'm not keen to build fittings when I can rather play the game.

Thread cleaned of trolling, please post responsibly. And on topic, I'm going to settle down with a nice hot chocolate and read through these minutes myself




Thread cleaned of trolling - ISD Type40.

Impressed and annoyed at the real world politicians syndrome that has snuck into the CSM .. 40+ pages, almost exactly 25% of the entire document, devoted to their own place in the world. Like watching the opening sessions of :insert name of parliament: where they are discussing pay-rises, fringe benefits and hustling to get the juiciest 'appointments'.

- Glad that the idea of making live events into RP vehicles resonated so well. Eve is RP starved due to all official support for the last three letters of the game type acronym MMORPG having been withdrawn and there is only so much players can do .. none of which will go down in "history" as it were.

- Basic mining mechanic could do with some augmentation/iteration, kind of boring for the most part. Add a layer where team-work increases overall yield or something to make drunken mining ops make a come-back and push out the bots.
- Moon mining is and has always been broken, latest changes merely made that simple truth evident for all to see. To solve it you need look no further than PI, POS'es and alchemy.
Introduce new colony structures for use on moons (uninhabitable, so automated) which are tied to a POCO as normal or a POCO-module installed on a tower in orbit. If said POCO is destroyed, all materials on the surface enters a SD cycle which gives owner X hours (tie to sov. level perhaps) to re-establish control. For extra fun, disallow any shipments from the surface if POS shields are active and make the cycling of said shields time intensive.
Economic warfare without the silly reinforcement timers (guard/patrol your damn space instead you lazy bastards!) is what null needs to make more stuff go boom and bring back the anger and hatred which has been at the core of all Eve altering wars (ref: BoB vs. Goons) .. props to Seleene for recognizing this simple truth of human nature . We need more ANGER!

- POS .. are there plans to re-introduce them into sovereignty at large? If not, then wouldn't be proper to first figure out what role they are meant to fill .. you could turn them into that which will be left when/if stations become destructible and the locusts super blobs purge all permanent structures within a fortnight. Since they were taken out of the sov system and stations have been dropped everywhere they are really 'in between jobs' at the moment .. bit of focusing would do wonders.

FW = Pet Peeve, so italized!

CCP Soundwave wrote:

Factional Warfare. This is, for me, probably the feature I am the happiest about. I
think we really hit the nail on the head...

CCP Soundwave (elsewhere, not in minutes) wrote:

FW is a test bed for null sovereignty..

Edit due to protest: Above was never actually said, but through what has been said as well as done it might as well have been.

Please, please please .. for the love of all that is (un)holy start work on sovereignty ASAP based on current FW. The forums have grown so stale since December and would be revitalized by 30-40k characters crying, gnashing teeth, cursing and making threats!

*snip*

Won't comment on the specific items brought up as it has been done to death in relevant threads over the last several years, will just say it is a shame CCP does not have a culture of collecting information other than 'metrics' when planning/evaluating the work ..

Sad that I allowed you (CCP) to waste four years of my time hoping against hope that you'd make them matter in the end. RIP FW.

- Art. No comment, not of interest .. would fly a mottled turd (no offence intended Gall's) as long as I got to ram it down peoples throat from time to time.

- Ship balancing .. if I was not celibate I'd ask for Ytterbiums hand in marriage. Guy is awesome. Want to see more chat-logs with him and Greyscale bouncing stuff around between them .. out-of-box thinkers, pragmatists and down right sagely in matters related to Eve.
"/me Salutes" those two.

- PtP Contracts sounds like they may be the remedy for a number of ailments currently handicapping Eve. Add a team to help them out and give them all the coffee, beer and cake (or pie) they ask for .. holy hell, the prospects in a system like that *drool*.

- Mandatory podding of newbs by means of tutorial itself .. hahahahahaha. Glorious! Other than that, 'meh' .. loot discussions are as lame in Eve as in any other game with loot .. if it doesn't go boom, then why bother.

- Evil, evil RMT'ers. If CCP Tallest and his crew doesn't want the free beverages and snack give them to Screegs .. he is doing an unthankful but vital job.

All in all: Sounds like the course correction after the Jita debacle has made the Devs passionate about their baby once again and given them the stones to show it in public. Good move for Eve and those behind the scenes both .. Win/Win, hope the spirit that prompted the introspection that allowed for the change is nurtured so that we won't have to go through that most foul human urge to protest by shooting/blowing up stuff


EDIT: Removed unnecessary personal insults directed at CCP staff.

By all means have your say, but do not resort to personal insults - ISD Type40.

There are a lot of good idea's there, cant wait till they are on the server, but I think some of the Ideas could benefit from the the following:

Ring Mining

This should happen in high sec too, with the following distribution.

• Empire = R8, R16 and Gases
• Low sec = the above + R32
• 0.0 = everything

This distribution would allow smaller corps and alliances to compete with the big guys who have access to the moons, but it also means that the lower priority material get harvested as well, and we wont end up in the situation where Nanotransistors cost less than Titanium Carbide because no one is mining the stuff to make them.

POS's

I think the plans for the new POS's are going to make the thankless task of even using one better . As part of this change the following could be useful:

• Corporate Hanger: If there is anything that makes doing anything on a POS tedious if shifting round all the stuff to build stuff or finding things, how about a quick fix or future feature, have a single corp hanger (by deploying a corporate hanger array) then for every factory or lab the hanger array gets a % boost to capacity then everything can then be feed through the corp hanger array and when building or inventing stuff you only need to worry about is which factory you want to use. This would work well with the proposed new industry system (which looks like it will be amazingly useful) .
• Reactors: Allowing the use of reactors in high sec even if they are less efficient, maybe producing 1/3 of what you can in 0.0, this would allow smaller groups to maybe make use of the ring mining mechanic.
• Refineries: These can be more efficient possibly not taking 2hours to refine 20km3 of ore, like the current ones, if you are in high sec you can use a station, but for those of us who have grinded the missions to get sec status to deploy towers it would be good to have an advantage.
• WiS: If there was anything that could include a WiS element, controlling a POS's defence grid/guns could be one of them.

Ship Balancing

• Logistics Frigates: Yes please!
• Drakes: Dont break the Drake, how about a different way of looking at it if the Drake is so good make the other ships as good as it, instead of making a good ship unusable
• Blackops Battleships: At this point the best change that could be made to them is let them use covert ops cloaks.

Final point, please give us alliance logos on ships.

You're talking about fleet warfare - I don't care about that all that much, as it's much more balanced at blob level. My point was in reducing the efficiency of spoiling small-scale PvP, where instantenious hot-drops of sub-capitals are extemely detrimental, and anyone who actually PvPs in this kind of environment knows it from his own experience.

Apparently, none of these people managed to make it into current CSM. How else can you explain the lack of such a vital issue in the minutes? Thus the agenda is defined by blob apologists alone, which is sad.