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State of the Caldari Address and LP By the Numbers

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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#21 - 2012-08-02 14:09:47 UTC
Markius TheShed wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
ATTN: CALDARI

Today I logged in to do my daily plexing routine in your space when I noticed that you had fewer systems than you did yesterday. This has made my daily plexing routine very inconvenient for me, and as such I would like to request that you stop losing systems.

Thanks,
-Xuixien



Nice to see that UK are defending our people by farming the Caldari,


ROFL
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#22 - 2012-08-02 14:30:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Yuri Intaki
Markius TheShed wrote:
Nice to see that UK are defending our people by farming the Caldari,


I liked UK so much in our space that NAERY came over to your space to return the favor. I even saw Xuixien there but she didnt dare to try to oppose us. Not that she actually did any fighting against capsuleers in Caldari space either.

Have fun with your deeply vulnerable Eugidi constellation. NAERY will return if we deem you are getting irritating enough in our space again. We also like to thank you for being so terrible and enabling all our plex alts and raw recruits make billions of isk.

Xuixien wrote:
Or y'could, Idunno, defend your systems and prevent them from becoming vulnerable in the first place?
It's easier to blame other people, though.


Like you did? I believe your own words were "Are you really defending systems? What a moron you are, you are chasing ghosts while you could be making money".
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#23 - 2012-08-02 14:38:46 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Markius TheShed wrote:
Nice to see that UK are defending our people by farming the Caldari,


I liked UK so much in our space that NAERY came over to your space to return the favor. I even saw Xuixien there but she didnt dare to try to oppose us. Not that she actually did any fighting against capsuleers in Caldari space either.

Have fun with your deeply vulnerable Eugidi constellation. NAERY will return if we deem you are getting irritating enough in our space again. We also like to thank you for being so terrible and enabling all our plex alts and raw recruits make billions of isk.

Xuixien wrote:
Or y'could, Idunno, defend your systems and prevent them from becoming vulnerable in the first place?
It's easier to blame other people, though.


Like you did? I believe your own words was "Are you really defending systems? What a moron you are, you are chasing ghosts while you could be making money".


I've had more problems with local pirates than with Caldari militia, sadly. This is probably why so many of your systems are vulnerable.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#24 - 2012-08-02 14:55:37 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Markius TheShed wrote:
Nice to see that UK are defending our people by farming the Caldari,


I liked UK so much in our space that NAERY came over to your space to return the favor. I even saw Xuixien there but she didnt dare to try to oppose us. Not that she actually did any fighting against capsuleers in Caldari space either.

Have fun with your deeply vulnerable Eugidi constellation. NAERY will return if we deem you are getting irritating enough in our space again. We also like to thank you for being so terrible and enabling all our plex alts and raw recruits make billions of isk.

Xuixien wrote:
Or y'could, Idunno, defend your systems and prevent them from becoming vulnerable in the first place?
It's easier to blame other people, though.


Like you did? I believe your own words was "Are you really defending systems? What a moron you are, you are chasing ghosts while you could be making money".


I've had more problems with local pirates than with Caldari militia, sadly. This is probably why so many of your systems are vulnerable.



Sometimes it is hard to distinguish .... anyway we morons bow before the farm master ... now go away please and farm the carrot ....
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#25 - 2012-08-02 14:57:07 UTC
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BolsterBomb wrote:


State of Caldari Militia

The Caldari Militia have been extremely coordinated these past 2.5 months leading up to our third LP dump. However in this time we used (as I assume most did) the strategy of all out offense and no defense. This resulted in the Caldari to be able to maintain systems by simply flipping systems as the gallente flipped one of ours. As long as we maintained 62+ systems we never had to worry about being out of T4. Then something interesting happened that aided the Gallente. The Minnitar started infesting our systems. The amount of alts farming our systems was unbelievable. As of Tuesday night the gallente had a total of 47 of the caldari systems in a vunerable status owning a total of 37. In the past 2 nights they flipped 11 systems (and our currently at 3 as we speak). (I will address the tactic in a bit) Caldari have a total of 11 Gallente vunerable systems and owns 64. Due to the minni alts there is no feasible way the caldari can continue to keep up. However something interesting happened, Nulli joined the Amarian war front and are now putting heavy pressure on the minnitar systems. We have no seen minnatar retreat (to some degree) from our systems. When CCP released the patch they made a system that supported 4 warring factions. I do not believe that they planned for the Amarians to stop fighting and essentially “give up”. During this time frame the Caldari had the ability to fight FW as intended, once the Minnies came into Caldari space, it essentially became a 2V1 battle. If this were to continue the Caldari would not be able to hold off enough systems to maintain a T4 status. It is my prediction that the Caldari will have hit a temporary hump after this Saturday. The Gallente have employed a tactic of cynoing dreads onto bunkers and blapping them in a matter of minutes. Last night they took six in less then an hour. At this rate they can and will achieve T5 by Saturday if they play the rest of the week smart. It is of my opnion that the Minnatar alts and Amar given up has finally caught up to us. I belive we will recover quickly and strongly again but for the time being the Gallente will hold the t4 status. I belive the Gallente vs Caldari FW front is exactly how CCP intended for FW to work (minus the minnis ofc) Going forward the Caldari must adjust their strategy from all out offense to a mixture of defensive plexing and offensive plexing. Dreads are only useful for the busting of the bunkers so we must prevent the bunkers from being available to the dreads. The interesting thing that we have an opportunity to see, is now that both Minni and Gallente will “own” the battle field (at least temporarly) how do the plex farmers (market monkeys) respond to the lack of LP dumps into T4 for either Amar or Caldari. What we now have is two allies are now the strongest instead of one of each. One of each balances plexing out, however that is no more (at least temporarly)

For the State

Bolsterbomb

nom nom

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#26 - 2012-08-02 15:00:43 UTC
Hidden Snake wrote:
now go away please and farm the carrot ....


Is that some sort of insult in your country?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Generals4
#27 - 2012-08-02 15:15:37 UTC
Xuixien wrote:


Or y'could, Idunno, defend your systems and prevent them from becoming vulnerable in the first place?






It's easier to blame other people, though.


You're welcome to join the caldari and spend your days defending.

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _

Generals4
#28 - 2012-08-02 15:19:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Generals4
Xuixien wrote:

I've had more problems with local pirates than with Caldari militia, sadly. This is probably why so many of your systems are vulnerable.


I've been less active lately but i've already gotten smacktalk from farmers because i made it quite clear they weren't capping under my watch. It's actually a personal hobby of mine to waste my time chasing stabbed merlins, farmers' tears = best tears.

But i'm a special snowflake, you can hardly expect others to be willing to endure the boring chases of stabbed frigates.

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#29 - 2012-08-02 15:24:10 UTC
What is defensive plexing?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Hali-Marmora
#30 - 2012-08-02 15:27:49 UTC
Generals4 wrote:
Xuixien wrote:

I've had more problems with local pirates than with Caldari militia, sadly. This is probably why so many of your systems are vulnerable.


I've been less active lately but i've already gotten smacktalk from farmers because i made it quite clear they weren't capping under my watch. It's actually a personal hobby of mine to waste my time chasing stabbed merlins, farmers' tears = best tears.

But i'm a special snowflake, you can hardly expect others to be willing to endure the boring chases of stabbed frigates.


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BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-08-02 15:58:42 UTC  |  Edited by: BolsterBomb
Vyktor Abyss wrote:
First part of BolsterBomb's post is actually interesting though it is not really qantifiable in terms of LP / hour because its lowsec - some days you get chased off plexes and missions and others you lose a ship.

Numbers are a lie - you can't account for all the factors affecting how much your LP is worth, how much you get per hour and how consistent these LP to ISK streams are etc...

The later stuff of BB's post is a terrible trite of drivel posturing about blobbing, outnumbering and who's winning now nonsense we see every day on this crap forum albeit camouflaged by the initial decent part of the post.

FW is an ebb and flow and I can say with certainty that at some point in the future even the Minmatar and Gallente will be miles 'behind' the Caldari and Amarr.
Arguing over FW snapshots in time is about as futile as pissing up a wall in your own bedroom then arguing on comms over which person can do it highest... It really doesn't matter and you'll only end up waking up every day smelling of ****.



Actually its not about blobbing. I think what is happening in FW is a perfect snap shot of almost every scenario for CCP to look at. Its the facts, the more plex farmers the better chance you have at being on top. I am in no way complaining. I am simply calling it who I see it and the next 45-60 days going forward.

I for one am very interested to see how FW plays out when two allied Factions are"top dog"

Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#32 - 2012-08-02 16:15:44 UTC
People often chase me out of plexes. Usually I fight, but y'know, sometimes Dramiel.

Usually I end up with 3 or 4 systems with active plexes in them. When a pirate/WT chases me from one, I just go to the other and work on it. I usually end up capping them all, because they take many minutes and most people trying to gank you just don't have that attention span.

Not even Mr. Tough guy here, who I recall chasing me a bit and it represented only a minor inconvenience in my plexing.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#33 - 2012-08-02 16:20:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
Lexmana wrote:
Amarr given up? What are you smoking. We have finally managed to deploy a strategy that will allow us to hit T5 despite the fact that there are three Minmatar farmers for every Amarr. It is called adapting to the situation. And we are still kicking their ass in head-on battle. Don't worry. It will come to you too.



BolsterBomb understands game strategy about as well as he understands the use of paragraphs.


Amarr are currently using the best strategy in this war. Its a pretty obvious strategy under the rules, but some people will refuse to adapt. I think ccp may very well intended for the underdogs to do exactly what amarr is currently doing.

Some people have decided they want their failed strategies to work, and since they don't, they complain the game is broken. Like you said amarr is adapting kicking ass.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#34 - 2012-08-02 16:22:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Xuixien
Cearain wrote:
Amarr are currently using the best strategy in this war. Its a pretty obvious strategy under the rules, but some people will refuse to adapt. I think ccp may very well intended for the underdogs to do exactly what amarr is currently doing.


You mean hiding in 3 systems until a 1500 man alliance comes to farm?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-08-02 16:25:34 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
Amarr given up? What are you smoking. We have finally managed to deploy a strategy that will allow us to hit T5 despite the fact that there are three Minmatar farmers for every Amarr. It is called adapting to the situation. And we are still kicking their ass in head-on battle. Don't worry. It will come to you too.



Bolster Bob understands game strategy about as well as he understands the use of paragraphs.


Amarr are currently using the best strategy in this war. Its a pretty obvious strategy under the rules, but some people will refuse to adapt. I think ccp may very well intended for the underdogs to do exactly what amarr is currently doing.

Some people have decided they want their failed strategies to work, and since they don't, they complain the game is broken. Like you said amarr is adapting kicking ass.




My statement that "Amarr had given up" is in reference to the intial patching of FW. Amar DID give up. Nulli being in Amar space now has changed it.

The point being when a faction does not pursue the sov mechanics, the mechanics get "fuzzy" from their original intent.

This is not a OMG U BLOB or you fail thread. Its quite simple. Minnis were winning so they came up into Caldari space which allowed the Caldari systems to go into deep vulnerable status in massive numbers. Now the als are using a fantastic strategy of Dread Blapping bunkers.

It is simply FW as it has happened and where it is. You can twist and turn w/e statements you like to suit your own babel however, as one of the lead coordinators of the Caldari militia I am simply calling it as it happened and what I foresee.

Until the Amar actually can hold their own (you havent yet) and prove to do it once Nulli leaves 9they wont be around forever) the Minnitar and Gallente will be the "top sov holding" factions temporary. It will provide a side of the game we havent seen yet.

But please troll on....

Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#36 - 2012-08-02 16:28:22 UTC
I for one can't wait for Nulli to leave because it means I'll be able to farm at home again.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#37 - 2012-08-02 16:29:28 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Cearain wrote:
[quote=Lexmana]Amarr are currently using the best strategy in this war. Its a pretty obvious strategy under the rules, but some people will refuse to adapt. I think ccp may very well intended for the underdogs to do exactly what amarr is currently doing.


You mean hiding in 3 systems until a 1500 man alliance comes to farm?


No I mean the strategy of offensive plexing and not flipping systems just to feed the gunnless minmatar plexers.

Even before nulli came we had about 20 sytems vulnerable, and several more heavilly contested. This was a much better position than we had ever been in. In sum we were turning the war around big time.

Nulli is drastically speeding things up by opening up a second front, no doubt. (But I suspect they are also spending allot of time farming systems that are already vulnerable. Doing that does not really help us race to tier 5) But our strategy of not feeding your gunnless farmers was winning the war for us before nulli came on board. Nulli is playing it smart and continuing with that strategy and its working well.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-08-02 16:32:41 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Cearain wrote:
[quote=Lexmana]Amarr are currently using the best strategy in this war. Its a pretty obvious strategy under the rules, but some people will refuse to adapt. I think ccp may very well intended for the underdogs to do exactly what amarr is currently doing.


You mean hiding in 3 systems until a 1500 man alliance comes to farm?


No I mean the strategy of offensive plexing and not flipping systems just to feed the gunnless minmatar plexers.

Even before nulli came we had about 20 sytems vulnerable, and several more heavilly contested. This was a much better position than we had ever been in. In sum we were turning the war around big time.

Nulli is drastically speeding things up by opening up a second front, no doubt. (But I suspect they are also spending allot of time farming systems that are already vulnerable. Doing that does not really help us race to tier 5) But our strategy of not feeding your gunnless farmers was winning the war for us before nulli came on board. Nulli is playing it smart and continuing with that strategy and its working well.



Wait so your strat is to ......wait for it.............plex and then flip when you have the systems


WOW thats something new Roll

Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#39 - 2012-08-02 16:32:48 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Cearain wrote:
[quote=Lexmana]Amarr are currently using the best strategy in this war. Its a pretty obvious strategy under the rules, but some people will refuse to adapt. I think ccp may very well intended for the underdogs to do exactly what amarr is currently doing.


You mean hiding in 3 systems until a 1500 man alliance comes to farm?


No I mean the strategy of offensive plexing and not flipping systems just to feed the gunnless minmatar plexers.

Even before nulli came we had about 20 sytems vulnerable, and several more heavilly contested. This was a much better position than we had ever been in. In sum we were turning the war around big time.

Nulli is drastically speeding things up by opening up a second front, no doubt. (But I suspect they are also spending allot of time farming systems that are already vulnerable. Doing that does not really help us race to tier 5) But our strategy of not feeding your gunnless farmers was winning the war for us before nulli came on board. Nulli is playing it smart and continuing with that strategy and its working well.


How can you say that your strategy was "winning" the war and in the same breath admit that if you'd flipped the systems, Minmatar would have just taken them back?

You're a little too quick on the propaganda, a little too slow on the thought process behind it.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#40 - 2012-08-02 16:35:07 UTC
BolsterBomb wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Cearain wrote:
[quote=Lexmana]Amarr are currently using the best strategy in this war. Its a pretty obvious strategy under the rules, but some people will refuse to adapt. I think ccp may very well intended for the underdogs to do exactly what amarr is currently doing.


You mean hiding in 3 systems until a 1500 man alliance comes to farm?


No I mean the strategy of offensive plexing and not flipping systems just to feed the gunnless minmatar plexers.

Even before nulli came we had about 20 sytems vulnerable, and several more heavilly contested. This was a much better position than we had ever been in. In sum we were turning the war around big time.

Nulli is drastically speeding things up by opening up a second front, no doubt. (But I suspect they are also spending allot of time farming systems that are already vulnerable. Doing that does not really help us race to tier 5) But our strategy of not feeding your gunnless farmers was winning the war for us before nulli came on board. Nulli is playing it smart and continuing with that strategy and its working well.



Wait so your strat is to ......wait for it.............plex and then flip when you have the systems


WOW thats something new Roll


lolinorite.

Minmatar have never done that, it's a totally and new innovative metagame strategy that only the Amarr thought of ever.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist